2005 M5 transmission clarification??

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I'm a little outta the loop. Can some one fill me in on BMW's intent with regards to the new M5 tranny; is it going to be SMG only? All the photos I've seen so far seem to indicate that this will at least be the way the first cars are produced. Are there plans to offer a six-speed?
 
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In the M5 video that some of us saw, it mentioned a manual 7-speed tranny as well. Hope someone can bring that video back, cause it was sweet. So from what I know, the next M5 will get the SMG and traditional row box.
 

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SMG only and it is absolutely the right choice for this engine. From the Paris show:

Seven-speed SMG gearbox conveys M power to the tarmac.
The high-revving concept only succeeds in combination with a gearbox
which translates the torque available to the engine, by means of a short overall transmission ratio, into optimised forward thrust.

The seven-speed SMG gearbox is precisely the right transmission to ideally convey the V10 engine's power via the drive train to the wheels. BMW M is the first manufacturer worldwide to offer a seven-speed sequential gearbox with drivelogic function. Even more highly perfected than the previous six-speed transmission, the seven-speed SMG gearbox enables manual gear selection with ultra-short shifting times as well as comfortable cruising thanks to automated gear selection. The purpose of the additional seventh gear is to reduce engine speed and torque gaps
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New SMG gearbox's speed up by 20 percent.
With the seven-speed SMG gearbox, gears can be changed using the gearshift lever on the centre console or the paddles on the steering wheel. Compared to the previous SMG transmission, changing gears is 20 percent faster with the new SMG generation. Never before has it been quicker to change gears with a transmission of this kind. The advantage for the M5 driver: Gear change is smooth and accomplished at a speed impossible to
reach even by the most proficient driver, thus making the inevitable power flow interruptions when changing gears hardly noticeable. The M5 delivers an almost jerk-free performance when accelerating from a standstill to its top speed.

Drivelogic: the driver determines the SMG's characteristics for changing gears.
Thanks to the SMG's drivelogic function, the driver can choose from eleven gear change options, which enable him to adapt the SMG's characteristics to his very own style of motoring.

Six of these programs can be pre-selected in the sequential manual
gearbox mode (S mode), the spectrum ranging from balanced dynamic to very sporty. With the gearbox in the S mode, the driver always shifts gears manually. Whenever the driver activates the Launch Control function, the SMG Drivelogic shifts gears shortly before the maximum engine speed is reached at precisely the right moment and with optimum slip until the M5 reaches its top speed.

In the Drive (D mode) automatic gearshift mode, the transmission shifts
the seven gears automatically, depending on the program selected,
the driving situation, the road speed and the position of the accelerator pedal.

SMG for increased safety and comfort.
The seven-speed SMG gearbox not only supports the driver in achieving motor sports performance, but also offers scores of safety features. In critical situations, when the driver shifts down on a slippery surface, for example, the gearbox opens the clutch in the fraction of a second in order to prevent the M5 from swerving out of control in the event of excessive drag torque at the driven wheels. Further functions are the climbing, which prevents the car from rolling backwards during hill starts as well as the hill detection, which adjusts the shift points on gradients and descents. This prevents gear hunting when going uphill. When driving downhill, the hill detection holds the lower gears for longer in order to make effective use of the engine's braking power.

Maximum driving pleasure.
The interaction of the V10 engine and the seven-speed SMG gearbox results in a level of performance, which has so far been inconceivable for series-production saloons. Above all, there is one thing the M5 gives to its driver: driving pleasure at its best. Compared to the previous M5, the current model comes up trumps in all performance and fun disciplines: it accomplishes the 0 to 62 mph sprint in 4,7 seconds and reaches the 200 km/h (124 mph) mark after a mere 15 seconds to go on to the electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155 mph). A glance at the speedometer reveals where this power package would head for if maximum speed was not electronically limited: an awe-inspiring 330 km/h (205 mph).
 
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Yeah, it's only going to be an SMG transmission. At first I was pretty pissed off, but if you think about it, it's not that bad of an idea. The E39 M5 was a full manual only and I'm sure it made many potential buyers think twice about it. The M5 is a pretty expensive car, so potential buyers do want good luxury out of the car as well as performance. SMG offers the practicality/comfort of no clutch pedal (much easier city and traffic driving) and the performance of lightning-fast gear changes...basically it's the best of both worlds.
 
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I don't know if it's really the best of the both worlds, because one of those worlds (e.g. fully-manual mode) is clearly absent. While I guess I can get accustomed to an SMG M5, it's not going to be the true driver's car (hence no auto on the E39) that it once was. Sure it's true that at times I've wished for an auto in my car, but this only occurs when I'm sitting in nasty highway traffic. On the other hand, I don't have any regrets when it comes to overall driving. To be able to spool up the engine to 3,4, or 5000 rpm and then dump the clutch is a great thrill--one that I'm sure would be astronomically amplified by the M5's ferocious V10! It's a shame that that experience won't be realized.

Hell, my mom can drive this new M5.....

Edit: It think my biggest beef with the SMG thing is that it makes the car seem a little more tame. And if you think about it, this new SMG-high-revving thing doesn't add that much more in performace. The E39 M5 hit 60 in roughly 4.8 and I've seen numbers as low as 4.7--not a far cry (a tie in some cases) from the E60 M5.

Any thoughts?
 

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Wallie05 said:
Edit: It think my biggest beef with the SMG thing is that it makes the car seem a little more tame. And if you think about it, this new SMG-high-revving thing doesn't add that much more in performace. The E39 M5 hit 60 in roughly 4.8 and I've seen numbers as low as 4.7--not a far cry (a tie in some cases) from the E60 M5.

Any thoughts?
Only explaination i can think of is they are using heavier plastic than before [boxface]

The car is bigger, so thats probably why. The e39 m5 wasn't geared for higher speed travel - the e60 m5 is supposively capable of 200 mph.
 
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Awesome videos on flixvault, PhatBimmer!

Just watched an S4/M3 comparison. Regarding the BMW M3, the host said: "Obviously you've got to avoid the sequential gearbox which is rubbish and ruins the whole thing...."

Well said.
 
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Well, I dont know what to believe anymore. A manual--who knows? This third generation SMG is supposed to be very refined though. Having a V10 500hp rev to 9000 is unbalievable. I can see how dumping the clutch would have to be a chore trying not to stall that thing. We'll see.
 


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