Bucking '85 325e

RobG083

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My car is a 1985 325e coupe, 5 speed, 206,000 miles. It has a problem where it bucks heavily under load at around 1500-2500 RPM. It literally cuts out as if it's starved for fuel or spark, and then kicks back in right at the previous speed. It's severe enough to give you whiplash if it happens in 1st or 2nd gear under acceleration! When the problem is really bad, cruising around in 5th gear at 40-45 mph feels like you're driving a machine gun if you try to give it any gas.

The problem is intermittent; I have tried many things to fix the problem. First I tried replacing a grounding strap (the one that comes off the back of the valve cover). It ran PERFECTLY for 300 miles, and then the problem started again. Next I added to that strap, giving it a dual ground, and it drove fine, again, for about 200 miles. Next tried plugs. Replaced them all. Replaced the ignition coil. Opened the distributor cap and cleaned all the carbon deposits. Cleaned the spark plug wires.

The injectors are all ok--they passed the test of holding a screwdriver to your ear and holding it against the injector and listening for the clicking to vary with RPM. They are all fine.

I've ruled out air/vacuum, and all the engine electricals seem in tact. I brought it in and had the fuel pump relays replaced and the car drove perfectly for 150 miles, and even seemed like it had more power. I've let the mechanic drive it home from work and back so he can really get an idea/feel of what's happening and he said he always thought it seemed like it wasn't getting enough fuel, even when it ran right. It sort of bogs a little between 1000-2500 rpm, but I figured that was normal because of the engine's economy design and flat cam profile.

Now we're thinking: oK. it drives fine and then starts turning to crap after about 150 miles. Perhaps one of the 2 fuel pumps is failed. Let's speculate it's the transfer pump (the one in the tank). Is it possible, you think, that if it's failed, then the main pump is overworking enough that after a certain amount of time, it's overheating and burning out the relays?

Anyone else experience this before???

Thanks! Send ideas to agraff@student.umass.edu.
-=Rob
 
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when i fisrt bought my car at around 150,000 miles it did it only under extreme acceleration. (flooring it) wiplash i'm telling you... i had to have looked like a complete idiot driving around like that. but it did it at any rpm, usually high rpms.

I kept driving it and it went away. i have not idea why. the only thing i can think of is that i am pretty sure i was filling up with 92 octane (becasue i just bought it and wanted to treat it right.) I don't know, i wish i could help. i know how terrible it is though.

I never tested it with the octane. i never wanted it to do it again. so i cannot back that theory up. I've been lucky enough that it hasn't done it for probably 30-40 thousand miles now. ( have 190,000 on the clock now)
 
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I had this problem on my first car Ive ever owned 88 Nissan Sentra. I put carb cleaner in it and it worked perfect. Unless recommended against by someone else, this is what I recommend.
 

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To answer the replies so far, I replaced the fuel filter. I've tried high concentrations of fuel system cleaners too. I don't think it's sediment in the fuel. The engine cuts out too quickly and too erradically, and at that, it's all cylinders...

Thanks for sharing replies so far...
-=Rob
 

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Most possibly electrical or ignition related if it cuts in and out rapidly.
Start with the distributor cap and wires (replace not clean).
Put a pressure gauge on the fuel line.
Check electrical connectors for corrosion.

Even if you had an injector or two going interminent, probably wouldn't give you whiplash.

Good luck,

Gordon
WitchHunter Performance
 

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Problem SOLVED! The airflow meter had failed. There was a dead spot on the rheostat, so anytime the volume of air passing through was at the right level, the engine lost signalling for fuel input. $330 for the new part, got a used one for $50 w/shipping on ebay and the car runs beautifully! [headbang]
 

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Spark plug wires possibly or old/dirty/useless spark plugs. This is what my problem was when i had the same symptoms. I say start with the cheaper things (spark plugs) and go to the expensive things (plug wires = $300 at the dealer... obviousliy you can get it for 1/3 that price)
 

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Yes, they bench tested it, and found the resistance had an anomaly at a certain position. The problem seems so obvious now. Oh well -- hindsight is 20/20. And now I've addressed the problem of the prepump failure, which apparently is a common problem on these cars. All the car needs now is some adjustments to the rockers and a new tailshaft seal (can wait).

I'm so tempted to sell now... Maybe get myself into a 535i. Anyone recommend them?
 

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Well, it's in very marketable condition now, as it is. I've put way too much money into the car. I didn't plan for my timing belt to fail and to have to replace the head... that sorta stuff. I'm thinking I'll upgrade the speakers and put in a decent CD player just so it has some bragging rights, but other than that, no more other than routine maintenance.

I mean, I love the car, but enough is enough. I bought the car for $1800 and have invested over $3000 into it. I'm also restoring a 66 Mustang right now, so that's sort of where I prefer money to be going.

How much do you think I could get for my car? $4000 is a stretch with the mileage--but then again, the repairs it's recently had (new clutch, steering rack, exhaust, all new Bilsteins...the list goes on) have brought it through the "200,000 mile hump" where things that shouldn't go DO go. So maybe $3500-4000 is what I'm thinking. You see these cars all the time fetching that much with 150K on them, and you know that within 2 years after buying one with that sort of mileage, things will begin to need expensive work...
 


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