Heater Core Valve

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Does anybody know the location of the heater core valve and how to change/replace it? Many thanks - Cheers

Also I have a wierd noise coming from under the car when the automatic transmission shifts gears at around 10-25mph - When I am accelerating and the car shifts into the next gear I hear a rumble or sorta a flutter sound coming from under the car about in the center area - Any ideas what this could be..
 
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A word of warning - this will be a long writeup - but believe me, it isn't hard to change out the valve. There are two different types of heater core valves on E30s, so you need to see which one you have before you order one since they were freely interchanged on the assembly line but are NOT interchangeable when replacing parts. To determine which one you need, you'll need to find the heater hoses in the engine compartment where they attach to the heater core lines at the firewall. These are located on the driver's side of the engine on the firewall(in LHD cars) with the inlet hose located directly above the outlet hose. You need to look at the upper heater core line (the inlet line) to see what material it is made out of - plastic or aluminum. Depending on how far the hoses are placed onto the heater core lines, you may need to loosen the hose clamp on the upper line and pull back on the hose to expose the line enough for you to determine what it is made out of. It can be kind of a pain, because there isn't much room down there around these lines. IIRC, I could easily tell just by looking down there on my car and didn't have to remove anything.

If the inlet line is aluminum, you will need to order the valve for cars with the aluminum inlet, which looks like this:
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If the line is plastic, you will need to order the valve for cars with the plastic inlet, which looks like this:


Now that that is out of the way, we can talk about how to actually replace the fool thing. First, you'll need to remove the underdash fiberboard cover from the driver's side - three turn screws where it meets the dash and one or two underneath, and it should be free. Disconnect the chime speaker and move that cover out of the car so you have room. If your car has the underdash knee bolster (no idea what year your car is??), you may have to remove it - I'm not sure since mine doesn't have one. Next, you'll have to remove the center console since the heater core and pipes are underneath it. You will need to remove the rear half of the console first - pull off the parking brake rubber boot and pull out the rear ash tray to reveal a plastic nut. Remove that plastic nut and you can then lift up the rear console (there is a light bulb that illuminates the rear ash tray - pull that out of the console). The front half of the rear console just has tabs that slide into notches in the front half of the console. Get that thing out of the way. Next, remove the two screws that are in the storage well in front of the front ash tray. Remove the ash tray and disconnect the wiring harness from the cig lighter and the ash tray light bulb. You'll now need to remove the shifter surround from the console - no idea how to do that on an automatic since mine is a manual - you'll have to figure that one out on your own. Once all that is out of the way, there is another nut down underneath the shifter that fastens down the rear half of the front console. Remove it. Push up on the window switches from the bottom to pop them out and disconnect the wiring harnesses from them. If your console has never been removed before, there is probably a little screw/bolt located above where the ashtray is located that connects the console to the dash - you'll need to remove it to free the console. I'm not sure what kind of screw/bolt it is since mine was missing when I bought my car. Follow the console around the side to WAY up under the dash and you'll see a large black plastic "screw" with a straight-blade notch in it. Turn this 90 degrees and pull out gently on the console and it should free it - there is one of those on both sides of the console. The console should now be free and you can maneuver it out of the car.

Now, direct your attention to the driver's side footwell under the dash. You should be able to easily identify the coolant lines entering the car from the engine compartment. One of them will have the valve in it (big gray plastic valve)- see the pics above for reference. Disconnect the hoses from the lines in the engine compartment and let the coolant in the lines drain (no need to drain all of the engine's coolant unless you want to change the coolant while you are at it). Now, the problem is that the lines in the passenger compartment and the heater core will still be full of coolant and there is no way to remove that coolant until you disconnect the lines from the core, so have something in there to catch as much of the coolant as you can - a plastic cup and lots of towels, etc, or you will end up with a good amount of coolant on your carpet. You should be able to see how the lines are fastened to the valve and the core - pull out the little brass bolts but DON'T LOSE THE NUTS - they are square nuts that are designed not to turn while you are tightening the bolts, but they are NOT captive nuts, so they will likely fall out when you remove the bolts. When you get the pipes removed, the coolant will drain and you'll see that the connections are sealed with an o-ring. Pull out the old valve, disconnect the wiring connection (it's snaps in VERY securely). Replace the o-rings and reassembly is the reverse of disassembly. Bleed the coolant system with the heater on to get the air out of the heater core, and you are done.

Wow, that was long, but it really isn't that bad, especially if you've ever had the console out before. Also, for future reference, the A/C expansion valve is located on the opposite side of the A/C heater unit in the same spot as the heater valve but in the passenger footwell and requires all of the same preceding disassembly steps.

Hope that helps.
 
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As far as the sound you are having with shifting - that could be a loose heat shield or something underneath the car. Could also be a worn center support bearing or flex-disc (guibo), but I'd check and make sure none of the heat shields are rattling first.
 
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Justin, does this apply to e36 as well, (I mean, of course there will be slight differences, but for the most part, is the procedure the same?)
 
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Sean, I would imagine that the procedure is probably similar given the overall similarities in design and construction between the E30 and E36. However, I really can't say for sure beyond guessing since I've never worked on an E36 to this extent. Give me a year, and when I get my E36 M3 I'll let you know. [;)]
 

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Justin - thanks a bunch for the very detailed info.. I dont think I will have a problem with this..BTW - I have a 1986 325 automatic..

I have a question for you... Can the valve be stuck or clogged and just need to be cleaned or should I replace it? The AC works great, the heater works but very little. It gets slightly warm but when I turn the temp dial to the red/hot it turns fine in the very beginning with some resistance like its moving something and then it just slips loosely the rest of the way like its not moving or opening anything (make any sense??) So I think in the very beginning turning on the heat the valve opens and then stops but the knob keeps going and that is why I am only getting partial heat..

Lastly - the noise under the car is not like a rattle from a heat shield or anything loose its more internal and only happens when the car shifts gears.. hopefully not a tranny issue. I have no clue.. - Cheers
 
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1986 - no knee bolster to worry about then - it'll go just like I described.

No, if the valve isn't working, it really can't be cleaned and should just be replaced. The valve is not a variable valve - it is just a simple solenoid. It is either open or closed - the amount it is open does not change with the amount of heat you have selected with the temp dial. That being said, they often fail partially open, so you may not get the full coolant flow to the core and heat output suffers. However, it sounds like there may be another issue with your heating/cooling unit. The temp dial should basically have the same resistance through the entire sweep from hot to cold. Your problem may not be the coolant valve at all - you may just need to adjust the heat mixing damper cable that attaches the temp dial to the heat mixing damper in the heater box. You'll see it if you take the console out. There is a Bowman cable that runs from the temp dial over to the lever on the heat mixing damper on the passenger side of the heater box. There is an adjusting wheel on the Bowman cable on that side of the heater box that allows you to adjust that cable. You can turn the temp dial and watch the damper valve arm move and adjust the cable with the adjusting wheel to get the maximal movement of the damper valve arm. It's pretty self-explanatory when you can actually see it in person. You should look and see if there is any obvious binding or damage of the damper valve arm or anything.
 
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hey justin my heating problem is somewhat similar, but somewhat different. When it's really cold outside the heat will only get hot if I am not driving. If I start driving the temp needle of the engine drops and the heat is practically non-existent; this initially led me to think thermostat; which I haven't had time to replace yet, but will in december, and I was thinking that if this is a proble as well, might as well do it at the same time and flush the cooling system; but do you think this part probably needs replacing or are my symptoms more telling of a thermostat only problem?

Thanks, Sean
 
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Sean, your thermostat is stuck open. I am confident that if you replace your thermostat, it will fix your problem - no need to tear your interior apart to replace valves in your heater. Your gas mileage is probably taking a hit with this as well.
 
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that gets me a little excited about the gas mileage thing... I'm getting around 500 miles a tank; which I'm pleased with, and if it goes up, all the better! :eek:)

Any tips on replacing thermostat; do the housing as well?
Water pump was replaced like 60k miles ago; should I do that while it's open?
About bleeding the system (any tips; I hear horror stories with this); are you supposed to put your car engine first down a steep grade, or something like that? Any advice is welcomed! I may or may not have a bentley manual when I do it, so any advice is helpful; I have a diy guide which seems to suggest that it's fairly easy a task.

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Heh, well don't get your hopes up too much about the gas mileage thing - 500 mi/tank is pretty damn good. It's just that when the engine is running cold, the PCM never enters closed-loop mode and continues to operate in open-loop mode which ignores inputs from the O2 sensor, causing a rich mixture to try to warm the engine up - basically it's kind of like driving around with the choke on constanntly in a carbureted car.

I don't know much at all about the specifics of working on the DOHC 4 bangers. Is the thermostat housing made out of plastic on them? If they are, then I'd probably replace it with one of the aluminum ones. If it's already a metal housing, then there would be no need to replace the housing unless it is corroded or otherwise damaged. I think you might have to remove the fan/fan clutch assembly on your car to get to some of the thermostat housing bolts, a task that requires a 32mm open-ended wrench or the BMW-specific tool. Just something to be aware of. Other than that, it should be pretty easy.

When bleeding the system, parking with the front of the car facing up a grade can sometimes help. There's been a lot written on this board about tips for bleeding the system on E36 cars. Fortunately for me, bleeding the M20 E30 is always easy, so I haven't ever really paid much attention to the tips for the E36, but you might want to do a search and see what shows up.
 
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The housing is metal, and it looks fairly good; a little white discoloration, but otherwise in tiptop shape.
As for removing the fan...I don't think so. I can easily fit the wrench with a 4 inch extension down there...the engine bay is big enough for the 6 banger and I'm putt-putting along with the 4 banger, so that leave plenty of work space...seriously, you see straight down.

Side question, don't know if you know the answer, but when I drain and flush the coolant system, is there a separate engine / block petcock from the one on the radiator, and is it adviseable to drain both the block and the radiator or just drain the radiator? --> Also, adviseable to stick a garden hose into the radiate to flush the radiator, should I get a treatment, what?

Thanks.
Sean
 


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