performance chips on ebay
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The E-Bay bias
The statements about cloned chips is questional at best.
The clone chips are exactly like the chip they duplicated.
No chip sold causes problems.
If there are issues usually the installation is the cause.
I have provided installation instructions to over 15 users on internet forums in the last two years. None have ever had any thing other than praise for the cloned chips.
In case your wondering I have receipts for both of my chips from Turner Motorsports.
Later,
The statements about cloned chips is questional at best.
The clone chips are exactly like the chip they duplicated.
No chip sold causes problems.
If there are issues usually the installation is the cause.
I have provided installation instructions to over 15 users on internet forums in the last two years. None have ever had any thing other than praise for the cloned chips.
In case your wondering I have receipts for both of my chips from Turner Motorsports.
Later,
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I have a cloned chip from eBay... My engine runs GREAT and has since I've installed it. I don't understand why anyone would think a cloned chip would cause damage... Thats like saying if you make a copy of an operating system and install it on your computer it will damage your computer - BS. Other people may know a lot about cars on here, but when it comes to EEPROMs it's about software knowledge. I have a machine to make copies of EEPROMs and the process is the same for cloning an engine ECU as it is for a computer BIOS. A cloned chip is just as good as an original. 01001001 = 01001001 They are identical digital copies, like a CDR. Sure a blank CDR might look cheap or whatever, but it works just as well as the orginal. The only thing you have to be careful about is making sure your getting your chip from a guy that knows what he is doing - so e-mail them before bidding.
Lots kids with no idea
My statements are not backed by BS.
I am ASE certified.
I am FAA certified.
I am the owner of a Mobile Dyno company.
Both Ben and Bimmerlife seem to think they know something so this is the time for you to provide proof or stop trying to impress yourself.
I have helped a lot of people by providing instructions how to install chips they bought on E-Bay and not a one had any issues.
I do not, nor do I want to sell or buy chips on E-Bay, but if someone wants to, I will provide technical assistance to help him just as I would if he bought a Jim Conforti chip from me.
The pupose of this forum is to help with technical issues, not to provide a soap box, having said that I will now get off my soap box.
Later,
My statements are not backed by BS.
I am ASE certified.
I am FAA certified.
I am the owner of a Mobile Dyno company.
Both Ben and Bimmerlife seem to think they know something so this is the time for you to provide proof or stop trying to impress yourself.
I have helped a lot of people by providing instructions how to install chips they bought on E-Bay and not a one had any issues.
I do not, nor do I want to sell or buy chips on E-Bay, but if someone wants to, I will provide technical assistance to help him just as I would if he bought a Jim Conforti chip from me.
The pupose of this forum is to help with technical issues, not to provide a soap box, having said that I will now get off my soap box.
Later,
hey Ron, bit of a knee-jerk reaction there don't you think? Coming in on the defensive as if somebody bagged you and your chips personally. I know nothing of cloned chips, but I do know I don't want to buy a product that the sellers act defensively about from the outset - makes me wonder why. If your products are as good as you say they are and you have the expertise and reputation, then what are you trying to prove?
I am a firm believer of you get what you pay for with the caveat that sometimes you are paying for the label and that is all.
So, if a cloned chip is physically of good quality as the ones being cloned, and electronically/progammed identical, and comes with the same support, guarantees and knowledge base/expertise, then go for it, otherwise don't take the risk, save your pennys and buy the real deal
Simple.
I am a firm believer of you get what you pay for with the caveat that sometimes you are paying for the label and that is all.
So, if a cloned chip is physically of good quality as the ones being cloned, and electronically/progammed identical, and comes with the same support, guarantees and knowledge base/expertise, then go for it, otherwise don't take the risk, save your pennys and buy the real deal
Simple.
A good friend of mine bought an ebay chip for his e30 and was nothing but happy with it. However, it did not remove the speed limiter, as it advertised that it would.
As previously mentioned, a digital copy is just as good as the original. The question is: what was the original? What chip did my buddy get a copy of? Beats me. Seat of butt dyno says it works.
That all having been said, I would personally prefer to dish out the extra cash so that I know exactly what I'm putting in my car and who stands behind the work. JC or Dinan, along with AA and other companies, I think do good, reputable work. And, even if I was able to determine that an ebay chip was a copy of one of the forementioned companies, I would have a hard time with purchasing an illicit copy of their hard work. It's like copying a local band's CD for free. I'd just give them the $10 for one of the originals and help cover their production costs.
As previously mentioned, a digital copy is just as good as the original. The question is: what was the original? What chip did my buddy get a copy of? Beats me. Seat of butt dyno says it works.
That all having been said, I would personally prefer to dish out the extra cash so that I know exactly what I'm putting in my car and who stands behind the work. JC or Dinan, along with AA and other companies, I think do good, reputable work. And, even if I was able to determine that an ebay chip was a copy of one of the forementioned companies, I would have a hard time with purchasing an illicit copy of their hard work. It's like copying a local band's CD for free. I'd just give them the $10 for one of the originals and help cover their production costs.
not *exactly*, but close. You're right in that a digital copy is an exact copy. However, what is it a copy of? I guess that some people just don't care. It's kind of like if someone said they'd make a copy of a U2 CD for you, but you have no idea if you're going to get "Joshua Tree" or "Pop". In fact, it's possible that you're going to get a CD of some guy and his local band covering U2. The CD may work in your CD player, and it'll make sound/music, but may not be what you expect.
What I'm saying is that no one on ebay has reliable tuner experience to stand behind their "product" and no one is doing to say "JC Clone" because they know it's illegal to copy someone else's work and sell it. They may have even copied a poor tuner's chip that you wouldn't have wanted to purchase. You'll never know.
What I'm saying is that no one on ebay has reliable tuner experience to stand behind their "product" and no one is doing to say "JC Clone" because they know it's illegal to copy someone else's work and sell it. They may have even copied a poor tuner's chip that you wouldn't have wanted to purchase. You'll never know.
Umm, a copy of a copy of a copy is only not good as the original when you are making copies of analog data or if the previous copys were damaged. Digital is very different, you ask a question and you get a definite answer, yes or no, and that answer is not going to change. Copying audio tapes is long gone, and so has the loss of quality through copying.
