Why is the Z4 so unloved, but the coupe get raves?

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First, I'm not a shill for BMW cars. I've owned 3 of them (325e, 535is), the latest a Z4 3.0. I've also owned 8 different MBZs and currently have a beautiful CLS 500 in the garage, too. But, Im growing weary of all the trash heaped on the Z4. BMW failed to market this car for whatever reason. There was only one commerical ever produced for the car and damn few print ads. It is much faster than the '02 Miata SE I traded in on the Z4 or the RX-8 I also sold. I've driven an S2000 a number of times and it is a helluva track car, but would be a horror to live with as a daily driver. The noise is deafing. But it goes like stink on an autox track. The Z4 does pretty well too without track rubber as many were surprised in my last event. The Z4 will never beat a Boxster S with equal drivers or the S2000 for that fact (all in A Stock). But the Z4 is a comfortable luxury sports car with fine handling and it has been trouble-free for me. In all the mags, they get the Z4 to 60 in 5.5 and with stock rubber it will pull
.91g on a skid pad. Boxsters are fast but they are high maintenance cars. As for the Z4's looks, lots of folks tell me they think it really sharp, men and women. What amazes me is the all the current auto mags are raving about how good the Z4 coupe looks, but still scorn the roadster. They are almost identical except for the roof and trunk lid. Sure that gives the coupe different lines at the rear,but everything else is the same. In road racing, the Z4s cleaned up in B Stock at the SCCA nationals...the 2.5! The simple fact is that for some reason, BMW didn't love this car enough to market it...maybe for fear that the 3 Series convertible would suffer? In closing, there is no Miata or S2000 that would stand up as a daily driver and provide the thrill of the Z4. A comparable Boxster will cost$5-10k more plus the expensive maintenance. Oh, I also previously owned an SLK and I would take the Z4 over it any day. The new SLK is very good and better than the old one, but I can't get my golf clubs AND cart in it. They both fit in the Z4.[screwy] I guess I shouldn't leave out the 350Z here, but like the RX-8, it lacks the quality of the Z4. It is cheaper and fast but the convertible is short on storage capacity, too. I've owned an embarrasing number of cars in my life and still can't see the reason for the Z4's lack of success. I will say that for the several thousand sold to date, I rarely ever see a Z4 in an auto sales ad. So, those of us who bought them must see the "goodness" in BMW's seemingly bastard child. [chair]
 
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I agrree with everything you have said. I have seen a Z4 run autocross, in the right hands it is a fine autocross car. That particular driver took FTD the day I saw him run, in a basically stock Z4. The only thing he did to it was run with R tires.

I'm a Z4 fan, when the 330 is paid for in a few years, I plan on adding a Z4 M Roadster to the garage.
 
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I know nothing about the mechanics of the Z4. I own a 2001 Z3 and I just prefer the more feminine look (more rounded curves). The Z4 seems more angular and masculine. Neither my wife nor I care as much for its looks--but that being said, it is still nicer looking than almost anything else out there.
 
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i love the look of teh coupe

and converts are not real drivers cars =]
Converts are not really, but a lot of people argue that a roadster is the purest form of sports car. In terms of driving experience, I think roadsters are the best, but coupes weigh less and have better rigidity.
 

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Actually the Z4 on Fifth Gear and Top Gear lead the Honda by at least a second, it also beat the 350z on Fifth Gear as well, its got more potential because the design is flat and dynamic.

I heard Clarkson say sometime ago that he actually likes it now, it is built pretty solid and has damn good performance. The Coupe and ///M will be even better, but I heard the other day it will be delayed by at least a year and the facelift and new engines are coming next spring.

For those of you in Rio Linda...

http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=401&featureid=119&pageid=233&show=s8e6&section=Shootout
 
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Actually the Z4 on Fifth Gear and Top Gear lead the Honda by at least a second, it also beat the 350z on Fifth Gear as well, its got more potential because the design is flat and dynamic.

I heard Clarkson say sometime ago that he actually likes it now, it is built pretty solid and has damn good performance. The Coupe and ///M will be even better, but I heard the other day it will be delayed by at least a year and the facelift and new engines are coming next spring.

For those of you in Rio Linda...

http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=401&featureid=119&pageid=233&show=s8e6&section=Shootout
I don't disagree, but Fifth Gear and Clarkson are in England and don't necessarily reflect US tastes. I think Clarkson is one the best auto pundits around and respect his opinions most of the time...he's also outrageously funny. [hihi] My thing is that BMW has,to this point, failedto promote the Z4 in any manner. I think it is a very good sports car and its performance is first rate, if not the best in class. Life is full of compromises and the Z4 does that well in my book. Boxsters are wonderful cars, but they are high maintenance (with high costs) cars as are all Porsches. With the Z4, maintenance is included and it requires damn little. In over 5k miles, the only problem I've encoutered is a blown speaker and it is not driven easily either. I run it in autox on a monthly basis. So, having owned dozens of vehicles, including a number of sports cars, British, German and Japanese, I think that I'm somewhat qualified to render an educated opinion. It's very good sports car, but gets damn little recognition, even from BMW!
 

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IslandDawgZ4: I believe there were several BMWfilms starring Clive Owen with the Z4 in them. You may want to check them out.
 
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Fwu said:
IslandDawgZ4: I believe there were several BMWfilms starring Clive Owen with the Z4 in them. You may want to check them out.
I've seen all the films several times, but they were never generally available, e.g., shown on TV as ads. BMW only produced one actual TV commerical for the Z4(many may applaude this given what we have to sit through now) and you can see it at the BMW dealer kiosk. And I can't recall seeing any print ads in magazines. Almost all advertising is for the mainstream products, the 3 & 5 Series cars. When was the last time you saw a commerical for the 7 Series? It would seem that BMW is relying solely on the reputation of the 3's and 5's to sell their other cars. Sure, all enthusiasts know what an M3, M5 or M6 is, but the car buying public, in general, doesn't have a clue. As Lexus, Infiniti, and even MB develop better sports sedans, this strategy of benign neglect may wind up biting them in the ass.
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I think a lot of people just do not like the way the Z4 looks. I think it looks amazing, but most people do not understand its design, and when they drive it, it ends up being far more sporty than they would like it to be. Most people are looking for auto tranny, smooth ride, and high practicality out of their convertibles/roadsters nowadays. I am not one of those people and I think the Z4 would be my first choice if I were looking for a roadster in that price range.
 
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I kinda like the fact that the Z4 is not so popular - that means there are fewer on the road. Call it "car snobby" or whatever, but for a pure pleasure car, I want something that I won't see on the road at every street light. The Z4 fits that bill, and the new M Roadster will certainly be unique. Around here, on a nice Saturday, there are SO MANY Corvettes on the road you just ignore them.
 
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I kinda like the fact that the Z4 is not so popular - that means there are fewer on the road. Call it "car snobby" or whatever, but for a pure pleasure car, I want something that I won't see on the road at every street light. The Z4 fits that bill, and the new M Roadster will certainly be unique. Around here, on a nice Saturday, there are SO MANY Corvettes on the road you just ignore them.
I agree with what you're saying about wanting to drive a less commonly seen car, however, if the Z4 is less popular, they'll just drop the price. They aren't going to demolish any of the cars, so they'll all still be out there. On the other hand, if BMW has decreased production numbers, that's another matter.
 
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I agree with what you're saying about wanting to drive a less commonly seen car, however, if the Z4 is less popular, they'll just drop the price. They aren't going to demolish any of the cars, so they'll all still be out there. On the other hand, if BMW has decreased production numbers, that's another matter.
I really don't care to see lots of them on the road either. But I think the price accomplishes that. However, when I bought mine, BMW was giving the dealer a $4500 "market incentive." I only paid $300 over invoice! [;)] I think the style does take a little time to grow on you, but still,since I've had mine (7/05)lots of people, young and not so young, have commented positively about it. Then again, I never see them listed in used cars in the ads or see them on the dealers' lot. So it would seem that those who buy them keep them realizing what a good sports car it is.
 
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Could it be that the soft topped Z4 is a victem of the fact that we're entering a period where coupes are more appealing ("in") than open top cars? Sure, its great to drive with the wind in your hair and everything like that, but its not like this hasn't happened before. The early eighties witnessed the collapse of British Leyland's MG and Triumph brands and the american convertibles- Mustang and Camaro's, were only sold in coupes and T-tops...The only convertibles sold in the early eighties were Fiats and Alfas!

Miata, Z4, and even Boxster sales have slowed. The only convertibles that consistently seem to do well in my completely unscientific observation are the folding hardtops from MB. Meanwhile, the formerly topless-only Mazda, BMW, and Boxster are all coming out in coupe forms (even the Miata is rumored to be getting a Z3 breadbox style hardtop).

The roadster boomed in the oppulant 90's. Could tastes have changed during our current economic down turn to more 'humble' cars like coupes?
 
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I think Americans are still extremely drop-top-hungry, but they demand practicality and daily drivability out of the cars. Roadsters such as the Z4, Boxster, Miata, etc. are not practical vehicles. In addition, as performance is the new trend in the auto industry, these new roadsters all have harsh rides, noisey engines, and big low-profile tires, all things that most people hate. I think most people want a convertible where they can just cruise around and enjoy the weather.
Also, since performance is the new trend, coupe versions of the drop-top cars are always lighter and stronger, which makes them faster (which is more appealing those after maximum performance).
 

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Here is an interesting study I just completed, non-scientific, but here goes. I checked the Auto Trader on line for "used" only within 300 miles of my zip code, any price, any year, and here are the results:

Z4's 30 cars to choose from
Z3's 49 cars to choose from (M's were not included)
M roadsters 15 cars to choose from
M Coupes (Z3 style) 2 cars to choose from
 


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