Buick Most Reliable????

Bryan330i · Nov 4, 2003

Check out this link for best and worst for reliability.

Regal leads 'Consumer Reports' reliability list
Tue Nov 4, 7:00 AM ET Add Business - USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

By Earle Eldridge, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-03-reliablechart.htm

mrferg · Nov 4, 2003

They keep saying that BMW reliability has gone down over the past few years. Good thing I don't have enough money to buy a new one [xx(]

mrferg · Nov 4, 2003

It's sad to see how the reliability of German cars has gone downhill... [:(]

BTW I never double post, I accidentally clicked quote instead of edit. [?|]

coyotefreek · Nov 4, 2003

Did you see, it said the Buick Regal not all Buicks. You have to undersand, that car has been made for 20 years, you would hope they iorned out all the problems by now.

It is true what they say though, German cars have had bad reliability. But while BMW is getting worse (I think depends on the model) Mercedes is definitly getting better. The latest cars I have seen have been improved a ton.

ODDferkOUT · Nov 4, 2003

coyotefreek said:

However the quality of plastics and what not in the Mercs have gone way WAY done. IMO, the late 80's early 90's 190-Series felt better built than the C-Class now...

coyotefreek · Nov 4, 2003

But you'll also notice less plastic in the car. It depends on the car though, the C is still a little cheap but all the cars they have re designed in the last 2 years are vastly improved. The ones this includes is: E, SL, S, SLK, CLK.

Also in all fairness, the plastic in all cars has become a lot worse in the last 5 years, not just Mercedes.

MrElussive · Nov 4, 2003

Where is there plastic? My roommate has a 2004 C240 4Matic and it is such a great car, inside and out. Slow as balls, but you still get that Mercedes interior....mad quality. As for the whole reliability thing, I don't think too many cars are that reliable in general. I believe that if you are good to your car, your car will be good to you.

PuShAkOv · Nov 4, 2003

Its official.. my next car is a BUICK. [;)]

epj3 · Nov 4, 2003

PuShAkOv said:

alright, you do that grandpa [:p]

frolf · Nov 4, 2003

yeah, i can't believe no one mentioned yet that its a BUICK....... A....... BUICK.......

if you are concerned that greatly about reliability go ahead, get a buick, just never speak to me again.

MrElussive · Nov 4, 2003

Yeah, seriously...Buick owners....I don't even know what to say...................

skandalous · Nov 4, 2003

My grandmother drives a Buick...15 mph under the speed limit. Push, you can be my new Grandmother.

codex57 · Nov 5, 2003

coyotefreek said:

We had an 85 500SEL. I can tell you that the quality of materials in that car was infinitely better than the 03 E320 we have now. On mbworld, I check the E class and C class thread and it's generally accepted that there are some serious quality problems with those models, particularly with the E. It had some serious birthing problems.

coyotefreek · Nov 5, 2003

Didnt know that about the E. But when I am talking about reilability and quality I am refering to improvement over cars like 95'-99' where quality was very cheep. I dont know much about the much older Mercedes and how they compare. My grandfather drives a 98' S Class and the diffrence between that and a 2004' is huge, the quality of the interior is much better with the 2004. I dont know how it would compare with an 85' S Class.

codex57 · Nov 5, 2003

I'll be able to tell you one day. My uncle has a company S500. It's a 2003. I'll see it eventually and I'll be able to compare. Come to think of it, his E320 station wagon is in the 95-99 year range (not sure which year exactly). I need to check out that car too and see hwo it compares to the newer and older models. I know Mercedes improved the interior quality of the S class somewhere along the line b/c of complaints about its cheapness. I think a 2003 model year S class was after the supposed improvements. Sure wish they had improved the E. Car is freaking beautiful inside and out, but the materials they used sure were cheap. Opening the door with that flimsy plastic door handle doesn't inspire much confidence.

Kirby · Nov 5, 2003

There's something fishy going on here...

Look at the bottom of the chart. It says -
"Source: Consumer Reports
Survey, conducted in spring 2003, based on scores for most recent three years' models, provided they didn't change substantially. For details, see Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2004"

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but at a quick glance, a number of the vehicles on the list HAVE NOT BEEN IN PRODUCTION for 3 years!!!

Hummer H2, Honda Element, Volvo XC90 are just a few that I am pretty darn sure did not have Model Year 2000 vehicles.

That 'qualification' paragraph seems to allow for great leeway in the accuracy of the data. What the heck does "provided they didn't change substantially" really mean when presenting factual data [8]

???

I respect Consumers Reports, but I have found that sometimes they analyze data so hard that they forget what they were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Help me out here! Am I missing something??

epj3 · Nov 5, 2003

Re: There's something fishy going on here...

Kirby said:

I have a LITTLE respect for consumer reports but it sure seems that companies get fingers (or even hands in the case of automotive manufacturers) in the reports. Same with car and driver -- the only car magazine I actually believe is autoweek.

Bryan330i · Nov 5, 2003

Re: There's something fishy going on here...

Kirby said:

Look at the bottom of the chart. It says -
"Source: Consumer Reports
Survey, conducted in spring 2003, based on scores for most recent three years' models, provided they didn't change substantially. For details, see Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2004"

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but at a quick glance, a number of the vehicles on the list HAVE NOT BEEN IN PRODUCTION for 3 years!!!

Hummer H2, Honda Element, Volvo XC90 are just a few that I am pretty darn sure did not have Model Year 2000 vehicles.

That 'qualification' paragraph seems to allow for great leeway in the accuracy of the data. What the heck does "provided they didn't change substantially" really mean when presenting factual data ???

I respect Consumers Reports, but I have found that sometimes they analyze data so hard that they forget what they were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Help me out here! Am I missing something??

I think you are right on. When I found this it did not add up to me either. It was like saying one thing and do another. [???1] I don't trust this study.

///M SPEED · Nov 5, 2003

Re: There's something fishy going on here...

Kirby said:

Look at the bottom of the chart. It says -
"Source: Consumer Reports
Survey, conducted in spring 2003, based on scores for most recent three years' models, provided they didn't change substantially. For details, see Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2004"

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but at a quick glance, a number of the vehicles on the list HAVE NOT BEEN IN PRODUCTION for 3 years!!!

Hummer H2, Honda Element, Volvo XC90 are just a few that I am pretty darn sure did not have Model Year 2000 vehicles.

That 'qualification' paragraph seems to allow for great leeway in the accuracy of the data. What the heck does "provided they didn't change substantially" really mean when presenting factual data ???

I respect Consumers Reports, but I have found that sometimes they analyze data so hard that they forget what they were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Help me out here! Am I missing something??

BINGO!!!

junglestylz · Nov 5, 2003

That is really strange though. I have had 3 Volkswagen, including 2 that were newer models. I can honestly say that I only had out of all three of them, one in the shop. That was for a new coil, distributor, and a brake job. Where as i have known a couple of people that have had several of the cars on the most reliable list, that have given them nothing but problems. Namely the Infinity's. My friends Shawn has a new RSX - S, and he said that he would let me take it for a spin if it would stay out of the shop for more than a week at a time. He is looking into picking up a new RX-8 as we speak because the thing is so mechanically unsound. Has anybody ever been consulted for their input into one of these studies¿ I sure as hell haven't. I am also definately wondering how the new 7 series ended up in the mid size car class with the Mazda 6¿ That is one huge f@cking mid size car!

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