how fast....

dsobering47 · Oct 1, 2003

hey guess what, this is about the wrx, not ricers........i am trying to look for as quick a car as possible for less then 23K.....yep

JamieD22 · Oct 1, 2003

QuickCivicGuy said:

Very true... I wasn't too impressed with my test drive, I expected a lot more. Ironically though I saw a badass silver one this morning on the way to work. [:)]

Brian330, he's running a hybrid Civic Hatchback (a very versatile platform) with an Integra Type R engine swap (correct me if I'm wrong). Stripped & slightly modded it's a quick car with a pinch of tq. [;)]

Bryan330i · Oct 1, 2003

I would go with the WRX if you want a quick car at a good price. If you like it and it works for you the decision is made. One of my first choices for 20-25k would be the VW GTI VR6, but it is just a personal preference thing.

Bryan330i · Oct 1, 2003

Guess I missed that somewhere. I just thought Civic with slight mods does not add up to that time, I guess there had to be more to it. I even asked someone I work with, we build high performace cars and sell high-end racing parts through a wholly owned sub and I was asking around after I made the post and all agreed there must be more to it.

dsobering47 · Oct 1, 2003

i dont like the GTI.......my friend has a golf and i tried to sit in the back, and it just wasnt happening....its a cool car, but its SO small....somethign a tad bit bigger would satisfy me.

I just believe a 2004 WRX, black, with some diff. rims would be the shit for me. [thumb]

brahtw8 · Oct 1, 2003

dsobering47 said:

Buy a Mustang GT 5.0 for cheap and strap a blower on it and a few other goods. You should be able to make 550-600hp. for a lot less than $23k.

Since I know that is not what you want, have you considered:

A supercharged E36 M3?

3rd Gen. Mazda RX-7?

Nissan 300ZX TT?

3000GT/Stealth RT?

The 2nd Gen. MR2 is a fairly quick car (5.9 sec. 14.5 qtr. stock) and upgradeable to around 300 hp. with minimal problems. (Stock is around 220 IIRC)

If you want an automatic, how about an ultra-rare MB 500E. I know of several for sale in the high teens. That car was assembled by Porsche, with a 322 hp. V8. Faster than the E34 M5.

How about an E34 540i (make sure its got an Alumasil replacement block) or an E34 M5?

A 1st or 2nd Gen. DSM (Diamond-Star Motors, i.e. Talon, Laser, Eclipse) can be tuned to 500 hp. for cheap, and you can get it with AWD.

Ricer haters, start your engines . . .

[fake]

brahtw8 · Oct 1, 2003

dsobering47 said:

I know a guy with a nicely-modded 2002 or 2003 WRX, black, for sale at around $23k. He has an STI-style wing, exhaust, some nice looking rims (18s I believe, kind of like BBS RCs) and a few other mods. The car is very clean and has only a few thousand miles.

PM me if you want me to track him down.

brahtw8 · Oct 1, 2003

Bryan330i said:

There is more to it. That is not a slightly-modded Civic, from what I can tell. He lists the 1.8 liter VTEC engine from the Integra GSR, which was good for 170 hp. in GSR trim, 195 in Type-R trim, and 0-60 times in the low 7s in the heavier Integra. I would suspect he is pushing 200-220 hp. and the car weighs 2200 pounds or so. (I'm too lazy to look at some other threads where he talks about what it has).

In case anybody is wondering, by FF QuickCivicGuy means front engine, front-wheel drive (not Fast and Furious, [rofl]

,) MR is mid-engined, rear wheel drive, FR is front-engined, rear wheel drive, etc.

Bryan330i · Oct 1, 2003

brahtw8 said:

Hey brahtw8, what would you need to do to the 1st or 2nd Gen. DSM to get 500 HP. As in my earlier post, we own a company, actually a small subsidiary, that does build custom performance cars for individual customers as well as sell high-end race parts. Almost all work performed is on classic vehicles except the parts side. I do not have a lot of mechanical knowledge, as I am the corporate money geek, but I have been talking to a number of the technicians today about the Honda Civic. I think they are shocked that I actually know a little something about the stuff they work on. Anyway, they are curious about getting the DSM to 500 HP. What can be done that wont cost lot? These guys are race freaks and build track cars for fun.

brahtw8 · Oct 1, 2003

Bryan330i said:

Basically you need to run a lot of boost, and do whatever internal and cooling work is necessary to handle it. That means a lot of stuff (and I am no expert, having owned only NA cars), but basically larger turbos, an intercooler, different exhaust and intake piping, no cats, new engine management controllers, and perhaps some strengthening of the oil pan and/or system. I am sure I missed a bunch.

The price difference is largely a matter of what is done to make sure nothing goes wrong. You could get the 450 hp. for cheap, but who cares if your engine blows up in a week.

You can find some discussion of it on this thread from prime:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23570

Plus, if you increase power only, your brakes, suspension, tires, etc., will be badly overmatched.

junglestylz · Oct 1, 2003

Bryan330i said:

I have beenthinking about picking up another Corrado SLC and dropping a blower in it. I love tha body style on those cars.

brahtw8 · Oct 1, 2003

junglestylz said:

A friend of mine used to have a couple of G60 Corrados. I think you can tune the G60 more easily than the VR6, but the VR6 can be supercharged relatively inexpensively, I think $2800-3500 for the kit. Neuspeed, etc., can show you the way

dsobering47 · Oct 1, 2003

i have thought about the e36 m3.......i like it a lot, but they usually have a bunch of miles on them and are still in the high teens/lows 20s.......i think a newer/new car would be just fine by me.

junglestylz · Oct 1, 2003

The G60 is notorious for blowing through superchargers, head gaskets, and warping heads. I would rather have the extra power of the 2.8l as well as the fact that EIP tuning makes a kit that will push it up to around 400hp.

bahnstormer · Oct 1, 2003

what about keeping the E30 and swapping a M3 motor into it. E36 or if u're ready an E46. think about it - naturaly aspirated, bmw motor no turbo to F with. and you'll do it for less than the price of a new car and be unique as hell! any show any meet u go to u'll be the ONLY one there i bet.

junglestylz · Oct 1, 2003

I have seen a couple of cars like that. I plan on doing that with the 318 when I get a new car (next couple of months). The only problem is that I would have to redo the front suspension, brakes, etc. It would be better to find a 325 chassis to do it with.

QuickCivicGuy · Oct 1, 2003

Bryan330i said:

I have been into modifying Hondas for about 7 years now and the setup I currently run is what I like to call "the basics"

Start with a doule wishbone FF 2300lb (or less) car.......add a bullet proof motor....in my case a slightly used 2000 Integra Type R motor....add some suspension refinements.....switch the rollers to 10lb forged aluminum wheels that are 7" wide.....add some R compound tires....slap a free home made intake on it.....a slightly used header with a 2.5" collector and 4-1 tubing.....some adj cam gears....add an electronic piggy back air flow converter to adjust fuel delivery....a used fuel pressure regulator....a new 190lph fuel pump....stock 99 civic si engine mounts...and drive to the dyno....tune a little....make 175whp at 3000ft elevation and proceed to rev the car to 7K dump the clutch and run 13's all day long while being a very compotent chassis to club race

The cost is not cheap as I went the more expensive route both in chassis selection (longer wheelbase) and motor selection (a fresh US ITR motor, very rare and comes at a premium) but my mods have been minimal to say the least and are mostly basic upgrades that I needed to do just to run the motor in my chassis.....larger exhaust, mounts, fuel pump etc...the header was $144 and I sold the original for $100....the FPR was free...the cam gears I got through my mechanic and only cost me $250...retail is about $350....dyno was $75 an hour...only needed 2 hours to tune the entire map with decent results given my limited adj of fuel only...

If I wanted to build a cheap all motor 12 sec Honda all I would need is about 2K for the car and 5K for the powerplant and associated electronics.....7K total for a very realiable 12 sec NA car...wouldnt be much to look at though.

My car was purchased new for about 12K so that right there blew the "budget" build status but its shiny and straight and runs very nice despite making countless drag passes and "spirited" driving in the twities reving to 8600....and VTEC is amazing....for a street car its really the best of both worlds and BMW's vanos is similar

Most people forget the overhangs are short, its light and has a double wishbone suspension with numerous N1 races under its belt.....the running gear is the downfall in the US but its Japanese counterparts come with 5lug hubs, beefy brakes and motors that make 165whp stock.....mid to low 14's from an NA 4banger from the facotry and .93g on the skid pad with 6.5" wide all season tires [^]

there are only limited by their FF status which I wish was MR instead but for a beginner an FF is easier to drive at the limit.....I will move up when I am ready for a quick MR....

ooo000HITMAN000ooo · Oct 1, 2003

go for a car that has ZOOM ZOOM

South Africa E30 driver · Oct 2, 2003

A Subaru will never beat my car. I've got a 325i E30, so I guess everybody is pissing with laughter now, but wait because it has an E36 M3 (3.2lt) engine and a Vortech super charger, pushing out about 310 hp at the wheels (dyno test done at altitude) combinnig that with a super light E30 chassis this car does 0 - 100 km/h in just over 5 seconds. I would like to see a Subaru beat that even the 22B

junglestylz · Oct 2, 2003

ooo000HITMAN000ooo said:

Enough with the ZOOM ZOOM man! That little kid that says it on the comercials is freaky and everytime you say it I get his picture stuck in my head!!!!!!!!!![?]He looks like he could be a replacement for the kid in the Shining.

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