This kid says he can beat my '03 M3 at Seca
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I raced something on the way home from the club last night. No idea what kind of car it was, but it looked like a neon/lexus thing. It was real high and not necessarily a "sports" car. Gotta give the kid credit, he was doing a good 125-130mph, so he was def moving. Except I would pass him at 150+, so that was fun. 
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The cars are a close enough match that the driver will make the difference. If he is an experienced amateur, and you have no road racing experience, he could beat you at Seca.
As frightening as it sounds, I have seen a skilled driver in a Dodge Omni turn better times than an average driver in an M3 or a Corvette.![[ohcrap]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_ohcrap.gif "Oh Crap! [ohcrap]")
With the same driver in both cars, the M3 has the edge.
As frightening as it sounds, I have seen a skilled driver in a Dodge Omni turn better times than an average driver in an M3 or a Corvette.
With the same driver in both cars, the M3 has the edge.
Ok so if they are so "close"....why the 40k price difference? I think there is a little to much crack being passed around. If it were really so, then you would see alot of M3 or just bimmer drivers trading in their rides for Dodges. 0-60 an SRT-4 has me not doubt....maybe even 60-80...but beyond that. Aint gonna happen.....I know 2 guys with SRT-4's on my post, I will ask them to run on the Autobahn with me.....All I know is that I haven't been beaten by an American car yet. (distance races 50-70 km's).
Why the 40k price difference? Because the M3 is a car built to run at constant high speeds, and also a car of luxury and high quality.
The M3 is a drivers car... the SRT-4 is not. It is a cheap car that is fast. Which car would you rather have? The dodge has a crappy interior, and the engine will not last nearly as long as the engine on an M3. If you want to run the car at high speeds, 120mph+ for extendended periods of time, the M3 wouldn't just last a lot longer, but it will feel much better at those higher speeds. I've been in a 2001 comaro LS1 which were built for high speed driving, and it did not feel as stable at 120 as my car does. My car is 16 years old and also gets almost twice the gas mileage on the highway.
The M3 is a drivers car... the SRT-4 is not. It is a cheap car that is fast. Which car would you rather have? The dodge has a crappy interior, and the engine will not last nearly as long as the engine on an M3. If you want to run the car at high speeds, 120mph+ for extendended periods of time, the M3 wouldn't just last a lot longer, but it will feel much better at those higher speeds. I've been in a 2001 comaro LS1 which were built for high speed driving, and it did not feel as stable at 120 as my car does. My car is 16 years old and also gets almost twice the gas mileage on the highway.
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The cars are a close enough match that the driver will make the difference. If he is an experienced amateur, and you have no road racing experience, he could beat you at Seca.
As frightening as it sounds, I have seen a skilled driver in a Dodge Omni turn better times than an average driver in an M3 or a Corvette.
With the same driver in both cars, the M3 has the edge.
As frightening as it sounds, I have seen a skilled driver in a Dodge Omni turn better times than an average driver in an M3 or a Corvette.
With the same driver in both cars, the M3 has the edge.
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When it is road racing you are completely correct, all down to the person driving. The attitude that the Neon will never beat you will get you in trouble - try a driving school. An instructor or experienced person in a Neon will beat you if you are not at their level.
I just returned from a BMW track day at VIR where I ran my Esprit Turbo. I'd set the car up with the boost level to around 305-320 rear wheel hp (I dyno this thing a lot so I know what it what, could have boosted more more but I cut back to reduce stress). I'm new to VIR and road courses and while I had a lot of power for the 4000 ft straight and could reel people in there, including E46 M3s, I couldn't match other drivers on the rest of the track - (325is, E30s, and a few others - I wasn't the slowest car or driver, but there were a lot of people faster than me). I'm just not good enough of a driver and too new to it. I need experience. However, I learned a lot and had a fantastic instructor and look forward to hitting it again.
Did decide I'm going to get a E36 M3 for a daily driver and to use on the track Really enjoyed them on the track and were very competent cars, plus they are affordable enough for me to get as a daily.
All about the driver, not the car, unless the differences are too great, and in this case they are not.
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I just returned from a BMW track day at VIR where I ran my Esprit Turbo. I'd set the car up with the boost level to around 305-320 rear wheel hp (I dyno this thing a lot so I know what it what, could have boosted more more but I cut back to reduce stress). I'm new to VIR and road courses and while I had a lot of power for the 4000 ft straight and could reel people in there, including E46 M3s, I couldn't match other drivers on the rest of the track - (325is, E30s, and a few others - I wasn't the slowest car or driver, but there were a lot of people faster than me). I'm just not good enough of a driver and too new to it. I need experience. However, I learned a lot and had a fantastic instructor and look forward to hitting it again.
Did decide I'm going to get a E36 M3 for a daily driver and to use on the track Really enjoyed them on the track and were very competent cars, plus they are affordable enough for me to get as a daily.
All about the driver, not the car, unless the differences are too great, and in this case they are not.
R
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"What an idiot. This kid has a Dodge Neon SRT-4. My M3 is basically built for Seca. How is a FWD Neon going to beat an M3? Never."
Your original question wasn't if two computers were driving the cars, but if this young fellow was. If this young fellow is a good driver, and you are not, you will lose the race.
If a single driver drives both and compares lap times I'm sure the M3 will be out ahead by a few seconds, an eternity in road racing.
Your original question wasn't if two computers were driving the cars, but if this young fellow was. If this young fellow is a good driver, and you are not, you will lose the race.
If a single driver drives both and compares lap times I'm sure the M3 will be out ahead by a few seconds, an eternity in road racing.