What do you believe in¿
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Wow, kind of strong. Any reason you still live here? Also being in the legal profession it is not a requirement of anyone in any state to recite the pledge and/or have a moment of silence, that is Federal law. Too bad your all to young to realize the importance of the pledge and of having the value of honor and respect for ones country. The problems that you are seeing in the world today derive from, #1 devaluing of the family and it's importance (very broad an demcompassing many thoughts too numerous to list here), #2 lack of a belief in a religion (or a faith of any kind), and #3 lack of respect for one's own country and a sense of belonging.
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AMEN......I am in agreement of pride and respect for our country, its flag and what we stand for.....if you live here it should be common sense to respect the flag....its the least you can do for the countless number of people who have died to give and maintain the freedoms Americans enjoy everyday. You dont have to beleive in it but at least show some respect.
I think we need to teach kids in school to cowboy up when they make mistakes and hold them accountable so that when they are adults they dont play the blame game.....but lately society has seen "independance" as a right to do stupid things which eat away at the core of our society....family, honor, pride in ones country and work......now I see too many kids raised on "show me the money" and think they are 'owed" a nice life.......
I think we need to teach kids in school to cowboy up when they make mistakes and hold them accountable so that when they are adults they dont play the blame game.....but lately society has seen "independance" as a right to do stupid things which eat away at the core of our society....family, honor, pride in ones country and work......now I see too many kids raised on "show me the money" and think they are 'owed" a nice life.......
IM not to happy with this country right now
1. we just have to go it up in other contrys businnes and start a war
2. we arnt going to help our homeless because poeple in other contrys are homeless wtf
3. are troops are getting killed every day but for what????
4. Because troops that are over there havent came back there wifes have had there babys but they wont get to even meet there baby for a while and miss part of the babys life.
5. The USA needs to bottom line start carring about there self more.
1. we just have to go it up in other contrys businnes and start a war
2. we arnt going to help our homeless because poeple in other contrys are homeless wtf
3. are troops are getting killed every day but for what????
4. Because troops that are over there havent came back there wifes have had there babys but they wont get to even meet there baby for a while and miss part of the babys life.
5. The USA needs to bottom line start carring about there self more.
#1 And had we not been involved in "another country's businnes (sic)" when Hitler was alive?
#2 Huh? Who says we aren't helping our homeless? There is no reason to be homeless in this country. Have you considered some of the homeless want to be homeless? That is fact.
#3 Our freedom from dictators, tyrants, and those who would harm us. Get real, our troops took an oath and are proud of what they are doing, they do not need you to defend them.
#4 That is what makes them such patriots and believers in their Country. I'll bet they have no problem with the Pledge of Allegiance. My father served this Country in WWII, the Korean war and Vietnam. I do not hate my country because he was not with his family, I respect my father for fighting for his beliefs and values and my future!
#5 I have no problem with this one, except that "no man is an island".
Do you know some of the homeless used to have alot of money till they got laid off and i will agree some want to be homeless but there are alot that dont.
for 1. i wasnt talking about the pst i am talking about the present
My grandpa was in ww2 and he isnt to happy with what is going on.
and i am happy that he was a member of the army that helped fight for and protect this country
for 1. i wasnt talking about the pst i am talking about the present
My grandpa was in ww2 and he isnt to happy with what is going on.
and i am happy that he was a member of the army that helped fight for and protect this country
I understand the specific statement BUT:
I watched part of the 2nd anniversary ceremonies for the World Trade Center. Children of the victims read the names one by one, with most of them reading their own mother's, father's, uncle's, etc. name. Those 3000+ kids will NEVER get to see their loved one again. I don't mind saying that it got me choked up. I can't imagine how difficult it was for those kids.
The vast majority, hopefully all, of the deployed troops will eventually see their newborns. And they know that they are deployed to hopefully avoid something like this from happening to their children.
I watched part of the 2nd anniversary ceremonies for the World Trade Center. Children of the victims read the names one by one, with most of them reading their own mother's, father's, uncle's, etc. name. Those 3000+ kids will NEVER get to see their loved one again. I don't mind saying that it got me choked up. I can't imagine how difficult it was for those kids.
The vast majority, hopefully all, of the deployed troops will eventually see their newborns. And they know that they are deployed to hopefully avoid something like this from happening to their children.
There is no excuse for being homeless period. There are thousands of programs out there for people who are willing to go after them. Most every homeless person I see here in the Seattle area looks perfectly capable of working and if you offer them work some will not take it, they want money, well get off your lazy backside and earn it.
You cannot seperate the past from the present in this regard. Like I said, had this country felt the way then as you do today, you would not have to be worrying about it would you?
Thank your grandfather for me, but his not being happy with what is going on now does not make your argument correct.
You cannot seperate the past from the present in this regard. Like I said, had this country felt the way then as you do today, you would not have to be worrying about it would you?
Thank your grandfather for me, but his not being happy with what is going on now does not make your argument correct.
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The reason why we have to get into peoples business is because WE the USof A are the Superpower....period.
Now that doesnt mean we can tell everyone what to do but we make sure no one gets out of line.....its to protect our interests and our way of life.
The problem with America is foreign policy flaps around like a flacid member instead of hardlining in one direction.
Other countries have been mad at us because in one circumstance under on president we did X and then under why president we do Y....this frustrates other countries and leads to anti-america banther.
Just like you raise a child you have to set rules and most importantly ENFORCE those rules. By going light on one country we set the precedence of that ENFORCEment and when all of a sudden we hit another country harder for the same infraction we are seen as the bad guy even if we are doing the right thing.
I will never agree to sticking to ourselves because its the number one way to end up a third world nation. On the contrary I think we should be helping other countries to become developed....who is going to buy american products if they cost too much for them? By helping them to become developed industiral nations the WORLD economy gets better and in turn our economy gets better......you have to invest to see the returns.....if you hold on to your money it wont do much but look pretty for you.
By that same token when we get into a conflict there must be an exit stategy or a plan of rebuilding BEFORE we attack so that we may begin the rebuilding process as soon as that area is clear of the problem......we did a pretty good job this time around but we are stuck in a "should we leave or stay" proposition in Iraq......if we stay then the American people must get behind the decision and help them rebuild and become an ally. Its in our interest to have an ally in that neck of the woods and also in our interest because Iraq buys alot of US goods.....the more they prosper the more US goods will get sold there.
Its very hard for people to let go of the past but we must remember its a small minority of people who cause the problems and we cant blame the rest for their mistakes. The closer we get to the average iraqi the easier it will be to spot the extremists....but thats just me....I like to keep my enemies close so I can watch their next move and not be caught off guard![[confused]](/images/smilies/confused.png "Confused [confused]")
Now that doesnt mean we can tell everyone what to do but we make sure no one gets out of line.....its to protect our interests and our way of life.
The problem with America is foreign policy flaps around like a flacid member instead of hardlining in one direction.
Other countries have been mad at us because in one circumstance under on president we did X and then under why president we do Y....this frustrates other countries and leads to anti-america banther.
Just like you raise a child you have to set rules and most importantly ENFORCE those rules. By going light on one country we set the precedence of that ENFORCEment and when all of a sudden we hit another country harder for the same infraction we are seen as the bad guy even if we are doing the right thing.
I will never agree to sticking to ourselves because its the number one way to end up a third world nation. On the contrary I think we should be helping other countries to become developed....who is going to buy american products if they cost too much for them? By helping them to become developed industiral nations the WORLD economy gets better and in turn our economy gets better......you have to invest to see the returns.....if you hold on to your money it wont do much but look pretty for you.
By that same token when we get into a conflict there must be an exit stategy or a plan of rebuilding BEFORE we attack so that we may begin the rebuilding process as soon as that area is clear of the problem......we did a pretty good job this time around but we are stuck in a "should we leave or stay" proposition in Iraq......if we stay then the American people must get behind the decision and help them rebuild and become an ally. Its in our interest to have an ally in that neck of the woods and also in our interest because Iraq buys alot of US goods.....the more they prosper the more US goods will get sold there.
Its very hard for people to let go of the past but we must remember its a small minority of people who cause the problems and we cant blame the rest for their mistakes. The closer we get to the average iraqi the easier it will be to spot the extremists....but thats just me....I like to keep my enemies close so I can watch their next move and not be caught off guard
Here are some of my thoughts:
First: The pride story
In my eyes americans love to exaggerate their pride. A front yard with 5 flags and countless blue red and white goodies is just too much and somehow tasteless. You can be proud of your country without the urgend need to show off that much. i am proud of the results my girlfriend achieved in their exams but i don't have them tattooed on my shoulder or better on my forehead so everybody can see it.
furthermore i strongly believe that if germany would start pulling up flags all over the nation and singing the anthem at each and every occasion the world would think the 4th reich will be right around the corner just waiting for the next austrian.
i like the us and i like living here, but this pride thing is exaggerated. most people i met that were proud in a silent way seemed to be way more capable of living socialy. i mean, with them i could talk and discuss about each and every topic. while sitting in the ball park and talking to some guy wearing a hat styled as the flag was just disgusting. he asked me why i was not singing the anthem? well, i am german i said. he said you are here, sing it. pardon? do you want to force me doing something i don't want? i live here yes. i am still german yes. that works? hell yes!!! i don't have to sing your anthem and won't ask you to sing mine.
Second: Foreign policy
Oh yeah, well big daddy could you recit me please? we discussed that so many times![[hihi]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_hihi.gif "Hi Hi [hihi]")
, you sure enough could write a book about it.
the us likes to apply double standards. the one for their own, and the other one for the world. Free trade is the key, but please let's protect our market here with anti dumping rules. oxymoron par excellance!
conflicts are to be solved peacefully when two countries are having a problem. the us is involved, well let's go there and make sure we get rid of that problem by any means.
(Attention: we discussed that so many times that we really do not have to exchange our opinions on that again, i just wanted to give those that are new a european view![[;)]](/images/smilies/wink.png "Wink [;)]")
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overall statement: I really like the us and i really like living here. and when people say that i should better leave just because i am not satisfied with the politics and some social live issues is just so contradicting to the freedom this country is cased on and build for. everyone should have his own opinion and be free to say it. the reply "get out then" is first aggressive and second it somehow forbidds him to have another and critical idea of this land.
i have a critical mind on some points. unfortunatelly it is only the negative aspects people takl about. talking about the positives where everyone agrees is just boring right?![[rofl]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_rofl.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
And now just have a nioce day y'all
tim
First: The pride story
In my eyes americans love to exaggerate their pride. A front yard with 5 flags and countless blue red and white goodies is just too much and somehow tasteless. You can be proud of your country without the urgend need to show off that much. i am proud of the results my girlfriend achieved in their exams but i don't have them tattooed on my shoulder or better on my forehead so everybody can see it.
furthermore i strongly believe that if germany would start pulling up flags all over the nation and singing the anthem at each and every occasion the world would think the 4th reich will be right around the corner just waiting for the next austrian.
i like the us and i like living here, but this pride thing is exaggerated. most people i met that were proud in a silent way seemed to be way more capable of living socialy. i mean, with them i could talk and discuss about each and every topic. while sitting in the ball park and talking to some guy wearing a hat styled as the flag was just disgusting. he asked me why i was not singing the anthem? well, i am german i said. he said you are here, sing it. pardon? do you want to force me doing something i don't want? i live here yes. i am still german yes. that works? hell yes!!! i don't have to sing your anthem and won't ask you to sing mine.
Second: Foreign policy
Oh yeah, well big daddy could you recit me please? we discussed that so many times
, you sure enough could write a book about it. the us likes to apply double standards. the one for their own, and the other one for the world. Free trade is the key, but please let's protect our market here with anti dumping rules. oxymoron par excellance!
conflicts are to be solved peacefully when two countries are having a problem. the us is involved, well let's go there and make sure we get rid of that problem by any means.
(Attention: we discussed that so many times that we really do not have to exchange our opinions on that again, i just wanted to give those that are new a european view
)overall statement: I really like the us and i really like living here. and when people say that i should better leave just because i am not satisfied with the politics and some social live issues is just so contradicting to the freedom this country is cased on and build for. everyone should have his own opinion and be free to say it. the reply "get out then" is first aggressive and second it somehow forbidds him to have another and critical idea of this land.
i have a critical mind on some points. unfortunatelly it is only the negative aspects people takl about. talking about the positives where everyone agrees is just boring right?
And now just have a nioce day y'all
tim