M3 Vs Corvette Z06

tool fan · Aug 11, 2004

1957 lotus super 7

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You mean this thing with 135-169 bhp..........FUGLY....sorry epj3....I am going to have to disagree

tool fan · Aug 11, 2004

Now....if you play in the Lotus arena.....nothin touches a tuned Lotus Esprit Turbo S4......a 4 cylinder engine that can be tuned to 330hp....impressive. 0-60 times in the low 4's. This has always been one of my faves.

flashinthepan · Aug 11, 2004

tool fan said:

Nice pic ! I have always loved those.

PhatBimmer · Aug 11, 2004

I highly disagree that the Corvette is a higher class than the M3 heres why:

Other than HP difference the Corvette has the same crappy build quality that US is known for.

For its rear end suspension it uses Leaf Springs (WTF?!!), the plastics on the inside of the car are cheap, bargain cheap I would say.

And as if thats not enough if you get the chance to touch the rear end were the tailights are you will find that again you will find cheap platic so cheap that its like rubber that you can bend in and out very cheap.

BMW although getting a bit bargain as well doesn't go that far and besides if you want to beat it a TVR 350 will beat it on a straight and so will a NSX and that sucks.

IF thats not enough I guess you can still love those leaf springs [rofl]

gpoints · Aug 11, 2004

epj3 said:

Okay, that makes no sense...
What does RPM have to do with it? Doesn't The S2000 out-rev the M3? Do you believe the S2000 > M3?

Audible · Aug 11, 2004

Corvette nice if you want bling and noise. BMW better if you want quality...

gpoints · Aug 11, 2004

PhatBimmer said:

You talk like you know this info first hand [rolleyes]

. You got ALL of this from that C6 top gear episode; why don't you tell everyone how the vette did on the track sense you failed to mention that part of the episode? Also, do some homework on the rear susp. of the vette. Making fun of it because of it using leaf springs is like making fun of the M3 becuase it's wheels are round and so are carriage wheels. BTW, the Vette uses a transverse leaf spring to apply load at the wheels. BIG difference.

It's lightweight, simple, and effective. Why not use it?

epj3 · Aug 11, 2004

tool fan said:

Sorry, I ment caterham 7

but you still miss my point - it was not about looks, it was about having the fastest and best handling car on the road. The caterham 7 beats away nearly anything in the handling category under $200,000.

Read: http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/sevens/superlight.htm

So if we looked at nothing but speed and handling, then wouldn't THIS be the better car?

Bryan330i · Aug 11, 2004

Kirby said:

Thats how I understand it. The Z06 falls a bit short in handling and braking.

gpoints · Aug 11, 2004

Bryan330i said:

I got this from caranddriver.com

2003 Z06:
70-0 = 160 ft
skidpad = .96g
1/4 = 12.4
0-60 = 4.0

2001 M3:
70-0 161ft/156ft (2 runs)
skidpad = .87/.88 (again 2 runs)
1/4 = 13.1/13.4
0-60 = 4.5

It looks like performance wise, the only thing close is the breaking.

Bryan330i · Aug 11, 2004

gpoints said:

I did not think the M3 was so looooong in braking distance.

EDIT: Oops...I did the opposite of you. I looked at the test (August 2000) for the Z06 (385HP) and a new M3.

BMW-M-Freak · Aug 11, 2004

gpoints said:

ok, here's one thing you gotta look at when they show you numbers like that. I'm can garuntee you that they didn't test those two cars on the same day, let alone even at the same track. And temperature, humidity, and other factors will affect the handling and acceleration of a car on any given day. Put them side by side on the same day in the same conditions at the same place. The Z06 will probably win the acceleration category by about a half second (no one can deny that) and it may take a few of the other categories, but then again it's al realitive. I bet a lot of you would still choose the M3 when it boils down to it (I know i would). On the track the vette may win, but every mag i've read said that the M3 is much easier to push and a whole lot more civil for your daily commute. Besides..... it can seat 5. Me, and four goregous ladies [thumb]

Side note: The performance of the car is only as good as what you use.

Kirby · Aug 11, 2004

gpoints said:

Even with those specs, the Z06 doesn't do as well as an M3 on a tight course for the following reasons:

- the Z06 is overpowered for a tight course - get on the throttle in or coming out of a corner and the rear breaks loose. The extra HP are useless, it takes a very soft foot.

- weight distribution - the M3's perfect 50/50 distribution keeps it stable and more controllable. The Z06 is heavier in the front. That contributes to the rear end breaking loose that I mentioned above.

Zeratul · Aug 11, 2004

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This is what i believe, #1 - BMW is wrong for comparing a Z06 to a normal stock M3... However... A Stock Z06 vs a Euro CSL M3 (With SMG) on a track will kill a Z06. A CSL with smg is a track favorite.... go to Nurburgring... put both the Z06 and CSL and i can garuntee you that the CSL will take it by at least a few minuetes (in real life)

tool fan · Aug 12, 2004

Zeratul said:

You cannot compare Stock to CSL...CSL is not stock. I am a vette Afficianato and I can tell you that you are comparing apples and oranges. Top end the M3 wins out...getting to top speed....anything short of a "supercar' is not going to beat out even your standard C series vettes. I will also say that the 1967 Stingray with the L71 427 engine .....owns all

Zeratul · Aug 12, 2004

Stingray, haha, thats funny, dont u think the handling and breaking is a lil outdated? lol im not gonna lie about the acceleration tho... its one quick bitch

abellia · Aug 12, 2004

How can you go wrong with either ?? I would say that on a track that has lots of twist and turns the M3 will do just fine against the vette. Otherwise the Vette's performance numbers I believe are better. Anyway, it's a difficult fight for the M3 because it's going to battle with a 6 cylinder. If BMW ever put an V8 into an M3 we would not be having this discussion.

[;)]

MrElussive · Aug 12, 2004

The Lotus Caterham 7 is the ugliest piece of shit I've ever seen. I wouldn't drive that thing if somebody gave it to me for free (I'd just sell it off and put the down payment towards an M3). The Caterham 7 shouldn't have been brought up because it's more comparable to go karts than real cars.

The Corvette is a beast on the track and you gotta give credit where credit is due. Everybody says they would take the M3 over the Corvette because the M3 FEELS good to drive, not because it's the better performer. It's because you feel more connected to the car and it has the best driver-vehicle communication and when you push the car it actually makes you happy....few cars can do this and the other cars that can have the BMW roundel on the hood.

Murray BMF · Aug 14, 2004

Give me a break! Vette vs M3. I rather have a BMW anyday, I'd take my 318i over a vette, sure a vette would out perform it in every way, but the BMW is just classy. A hooker can outperform my wife if your talking about sheer numbers, but class and style is better. Just my opinion. A vette is just a expensive chevy, a BMW is......Well those who get it know, those who don't........

tool fan · Aug 16, 2004

Murray BMF said:

Does she know that? To Funny!!!!!!

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