what is the world coming to

[Bryan330i]

I said I would not do this but I received a couple of PMs and a few direct email messages and thought I would drop a quick note. I take full responsibility for being out of control and out of line. Voluntarily leaving has nothing to do with being pushed over the edge or antichrist views (I am hardly the one to ask with my surface knowledge of the various religions).

Leaving is the correct and fair thing to do. It is what I have decided and is nothing more than a personal decision.

 

[William330]

Sharon is now reportedly having the knees shot out of innocent Palestinians and leaving them to die in the streets, and, well we know what the other side is doing.

Give me a break, where did you hear this nonsense, al Jazeera?

People always demonize Sharon, forgetting the fact that Arafat
walked away from a country in 2000, with Ehud Barak, and instead
started a war against wedding parties, commuter busses, crowded
restaurants, holiday dinners, etc.

 

[William330]

Looks like I am late to the party.

Well, Brian has elected to go.

I can't say I'll miss someone who equates terrorist states with democracies,
and reads fringe lunatic websites (counterpunch.org).

The Mideast is a complex subject, hence it is almost always misreported
by Western media, and allows uninformed people to become swayed by
anti-Western propaganda (see: counterpunch.org).

 

[jszar]

Looks like I am late to the party.

Well, Brian has elected to go.

I can't say I'll miss someone who equates terrorist states with democracies,
and reads fringe lunatic websites (counterpunch.org).

The Mideast is a complex subject, hence it is almost always misreported
by Western media, and allows uninformed people to become swayed by
anti-Western propaganda (see: counterpunch.org).

dido, well said. a lot of people, my self included, make assumptions on what we read and here on the news, and papers, which arent always accurate...about a messed up complex country/region, and you have kaos with the media, and kaos between people. so much bashing against Bush, his administration, now Rumsfeld, war supporters etc....it will never end.

 

[MyHarley]

Ok guys I saw the full beheading video today at a customer I was visiting. The sound was about 5 seconds ahead of the screening. It was the most horrific, well I dont think that word even describes it accurately, I was speechless. Yes, I have thought about it all day and should not of watched. This is the first time in my life I have actually seen true evil and not just heard about it.

 

[jszar]

some radio station here in portland, 94.7 NRK... the morning "Marconni Show", marconni and tiny played the 5 seconds of sound clip on the air of that beheading, made a joke...now they are jobless. stupid morons, they better hope all they get is fired...i have a hard time controlling my anger with people like that, i'd lose it if i saw those guys in person. some people just dont have any diginity or respect for anything...that really pisses me off.

 

[Big Daddy]

I gotta agree with you on that one! What a couple of mindless idiots!

 

[Ghost]

I don’t get involved in political discussions, but I will say that 100% of the news is NOT always 100% of the truth.

 

[aNoodle]

Give me a break, where did you hear this nonsense, al Jazeera?

People always demonize Sharon, forgetting the fact that Arafat
walked away from a country in 2000, with Ehud Barak, and instead
started a war against wedding parties, commuter busses, crowded
restaurants, holiday dinners, etc.

Is it really that simple to you?

 

[frolf]

keep in mind that i do not associate myself with any political party. but what bugs me is that so many people can freak out about prisoners being stripped down and humiliated (which is very wrong) and then not care NEARLY as much about a man being beheaded. its sick that people will go as far as voting for a president, only to later not support him to this degree.

 

[William330]

Is it really that simple to you?

Is what that simple?

 

[William330]

keep in mind that i do not associate myself with any political party. but what bugs me is that so many people can freak out about prisoners being stripped down and humiliated (which is very wrong) and then not care NEARLY as much about a man being beheaded.

The media still refuse to show the photos.

Where it not for the Internet, no one would even know what
happened to Nicholas, since the media are not even describing
the events.

I have watched the video. It made me very angry. It shows
the nature of the enemy we are dealing with.

I have a text description I can post for those unwilling to watch
the video. Let me know if you want me to post, and if it is OK to
do so.

I think people should know what happened to Nicholas Berg.

(I will add that I also considered myself an "independent" before
Sept 11th. I sure was naive to think that there were no fundemental
differences. One side believes we are at war, the other does not. I
believe we are clearly at war.)

 

[MyHarley]

I dont think it needs to be posted due to not knowing ages on this board........PM if they want to see.......since I've seen it, its definitely a personal choice to watch......just my opinion on posting..........

 

[hyperollah]

too much guys i wish everybody would just get along. america has to forget about the oil there and get out.bush wants the oil cause its what america needs, more money and cheap gas. not to mention the global control america needs to continue its freedoms. this event of the solider is a blowback.

 

[frolf]

too much guys i wish everybody would just get along. america has to forget about the oil there and get out.bush wants the oil cause its what america needs, more money and cheap gas. not to mention the global control america needs to continue its freedoms. this event of the solider is a blowback.

yeah, best part is if we forget about the oil we can forget about all the people
S addam tortured

 

[William330]

america has to forget about the oil there and get out.bush
wants the oil cause its what america needs, more money and cheap gas.

If the US wanted 'cheap oil,' it would have simply lobbied for the UN
to eliminate their sanctions placed against Saddam's regime for his
failure to comply with his disarmament agreements (Resolution 687,
among others).

Today, after the 'war for oil' gasoline costs $4.00 a gallon in California.

So much for the 'war for oil' theory...

 

[JGM3E3632]

I downloaded the uncensored video. I can not start to descibe how mad the video made me. That was the most horrible thing I have ever seen.

 

[Kirby]

If the US wanted 'cheap oil,' it would have simply lobbied for the UN
to eliminate their sanctions placed against Saddam's regime for his
failure to comply with his disarmament agreements (Resolution 687,
among others).

Today, after the 'war for oil' gasoline costs $4.00 a gallon in California.

So much for the 'war for oil' theory...

I agree. If it was a war for oil, we should be seeing at least stable prices, if not cheaper prices. It looks as though the surprise move in the oil market may be made by Libya. With oil prices high, Kadafi smells money and seems very willing now to "toe the line" so he can sell oil to the US.

 

[tool fan]

I don’t get involved in political discussions, but I will say that 100% of the news is NOT always 100% of the truth.

?????100% of the news is 99.9% propaganda. Our media system caters to "war mongers" which is about 99% of our population. Humans are sadistic like that. On any given day 5000 babies are born in the U.S. Is that a new worthy event? Should be! No, we want to hear about death, blood and evil, even if we don't want to hear about it, we still watch it. Why??? who knows ask Freud. We all like stories that get our "sore spots" No one likes to admit it...but it is the case.

 

[jszar]

gas prices in oregon are expected to reach $3.20 for regular unleaded this summer. I don't even want to think about California. So yes, if this war was for oil, then the prices would be stable. I have watched them go up for the last 2 months..already at $2.37.