Howard Dean rules!
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mrferg said:
C'mon people let's have peace on BMWBOARD, whoops I said peace, must be a Bush hater.![[hihi]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_hihi.gif "Hi Hi [hihi]")
No, seriously let's not get personal here, hell it's free country, oh there I go again saying 'free', man I must be a Bush hater.[fake]
No, seriously let's not get personal here, hell it's free country, oh there I go again saying 'free', man I must be a Bush hater.[fake]
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I am going to state something short and to the point.
One man cannot be blamed for the entire economy.
You can still think that if you want. You can think/feel whatever/however you want. I am not going to name call or finger point if you do not feel the same way as me. I WILL try to explain my side of the argument, though.
I am a gracious debater. If you prove me wrong, I admit defeat. I still might not like what was proven to me, but I WILL lay down my arms (that's just a figure of speech).
I'm up for any debates, but I only argue points I believe in. I am a gracious loser and expect as much from anyone else.
As far as anyone saying they are smart (or calling anyone else stupid), please do NOT spell anything wrong or use improper grammar (typos are OK and do not count as misspelled words). Doing so would void any such statements.
One last thing, sarcasm is used widely throughout the board. If you can't handle sarcasm, please refrain from such hot topics.
One man cannot be blamed for the entire economy.
You can still think that if you want. You can think/feel whatever/however you want. I am not going to name call or finger point if you do not feel the same way as me. I WILL try to explain my side of the argument, though.
I am a gracious debater. If you prove me wrong, I admit defeat. I still might not like what was proven to me, but I WILL lay down my arms (that's just a figure of speech).
I'm up for any debates, but I only argue points I believe in. I am a gracious loser and expect as much from anyone else.
As far as anyone saying they are smart (or calling anyone else stupid), please do NOT spell anything wrong or use improper grammar (typos are OK and do not count as misspelled words). Doing so would void any such statements.
One last thing, sarcasm is used widely throughout the board. If you can't handle sarcasm, please refrain from such hot topics.
Wadula said:
a german running for president? bad enough that another austrian is trying to come to political power these days
just kidding and that sentence is not supposed to be taken serious nor was it meant to be disrespectful or humiliating or trying to blackmail austria and his inhabitants.
cheers![[thumb]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_thumb.gif "Thumbs Up [thumb]")
just kidding and that sentence is not supposed to be taken serious nor was it meant to be disrespectful or humiliating or trying to blackmail austria and his inhabitants.
cheers
I'm not laying all the blame on Bush, I think Rumsfeld and Cheney are just as guilty. Tell me, who put Saddam and Bin Laden in power, hmmm let me think, oh yeah we did. 9-11 was awful I don't deny that, but instead of pissing our pants in fear and blasting all the "terrorist regimes" we should realize that we are not hated for who we are necessacerily, but we are hated for what we do. And that is screwing with other countries...what we need to do is to create a positive image of the US. Not a country that has a color alert system, but a country that helps people in need.
I say nothing more, I don't want to argue, I'm just expressing my opinions and I respect all your opinions.
I say nothing more, I don't want to argue, I'm just expressing my opinions and I respect all your opinions.
OK I'll stir the pot!
At least Bush has a foreign policy. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what he's done overseas, but he has done SOMETHING.
However, can ANYONE tell me that Bush has a clear domestic policy? What is it? Other than a series of tax cuts (yeah I got a dependent rebate check) what is he doing ANYWHERE in the US of positive substance?
So we increase spending astronomically (war), go into deficit spending again, and say that a tax cut is going to stimulate the economy? Can anyone say REAGANOMICS, otherwise known as VOODOO Economics?
At least Bush has a foreign policy. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what he's done overseas, but he has done SOMETHING.
However, can ANYONE tell me that Bush has a clear domestic policy? What is it? Other than a series of tax cuts (yeah I got a dependent rebate check) what is he doing ANYWHERE in the US of positive substance?
So we increase spending astronomically (war), go into deficit spending again, and say that a tax cut is going to stimulate the economy? Can anyone say REAGANOMICS, otherwise known as VOODOO Economics?
I know you mean well, MrFerg. I was just F'in' with ya earlier!
I see the merit in your statements. Being a country that helps is what we need to do. We already do it a lot, but we need to practice more on peaceful helping. There are certain situations where peaceful intervention are futile, though.
I disagree with you about people not hating us for what we are. Some people despise the fact that we have what we have....freedom (or the illusion thereof). Some people hate us because our women are allowed to vote and have rights. There are lots of reasons Americans are hated....but what you mentioned just happens to be on top of the list currently.
Keep the opinions coming. No one here will take offense.
I see the merit in your statements. Being a country that helps is what we need to do. We already do it a lot, but we need to practice more on peaceful helping. There are certain situations where peaceful intervention are futile, though.
I disagree with you about people not hating us for what we are. Some people despise the fact that we have what we have....freedom (or the illusion thereof). Some people hate us because our women are allowed to vote and have rights. There are lots of reasons Americans are hated....but what you mentioned just happens to be on top of the list currently.
Keep the opinions coming. No one here will take offense.
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bear, it is right that a single person can not be held responsible for a whole country. at least that is exactly what democracy is allabout right? but, a single man represents a political direction and in a position like being the president of the us, he has big time influence on those serving under him. that is the usual way parties and governments are run all over the place.
the chancelor in germany for example has to unify his party every now and then, to get their bills and laws through senats and all the other politocal juries. the man underneath the man in power do not always agree what their leader says, but bottom line is, that he is the leader and they have to follow. it is a shame though, that in all political systems those with doubt mostly drop their issue just to stay in power and that those you stick with their philosophy get replaced with more convenient examples of their species.
the chancelor in germany for example has to unify his party every now and then, to get their bills and laws through senats and all the other politocal juries. the man underneath the man in power do not always agree what their leader says, but bottom line is, that he is the leader and they have to follow. it is a shame though, that in all political systems those with doubt mostly drop their issue just to stay in power and that those you stick with their philosophy get replaced with more convenient examples of their species.
Kirby. It sounds like you're playing both sides of the fence...but that's what politics is all about. You have to be able to exercise a balance between two different views. Granted, not all subjects will have a compromised outcome, but nothing's perfect. Perfect is for make-believe and math.
Bush has a foreign policy to speak of. It might not be the best, but one exists.
I find it interesting that the republicans are trying to stimulate the economy by giving money to the people. Lots of money is being spent on soldiers and tax cuts. I'm used to the "trickle down" theory of economics from the republicans....and the democrats are usually the ones to create jobs for the unemployed. Perhaps my view on politics has been gilded....or perhaps change is occurring before our very eyes.
I don't get it.![[confused]](/images/smilies/confused.png "Confused [confused]")
Bush has a foreign policy to speak of. It might not be the best, but one exists.
I find it interesting that the republicans are trying to stimulate the economy by giving money to the people. Lots of money is being spent on soldiers and tax cuts. I'm used to the "trickle down" theory of economics from the republicans....and the democrats are usually the ones to create jobs for the unemployed. Perhaps my view on politics has been gilded....or perhaps change is occurring before our very eyes.
I don't get it.
The president represents the government, I agree. Unlike Germany, though, he cannot make the house agree. Last I remember, the majority of the House was democrats, but I might be mistaken. That is where I fail to see the republicans taking the fall for all of this. If the majority of the House is democrats, and the president needs a 66.6% approval vote to go to war, can't the democrats be ultimately blamed for the war....or at least share the blame?
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