Howard Dean rules!

[mrferg]

i remember that in the beginning someone said he´d rather see hilary clinton.

okay, how do you think about it and is the US ready for a female president?

now i go to cinema and see tomb raider later...

I don't see what the hang-up is, if I believed in what they said I'd vote for anyone.

 

[ooo000HITMAN000ooo]

Who is this????

 

[BMWlover]

A good reference epj3! And I want to add my point of view on Bush¡¯s economic policy.

Firstly, the price bubbles of houses and buildings: I heard that the average price of houses and buildings has been increased more than 40% during last 4 years. And interest rates have been almost 0% considering yearly inflations. Consequently, people did a mortgage refinancing and they got some extra money. And this surplus withholds the current U.S. economy. Thus, the demand of houses and construction is the source of current economy, not supply side. That's why Bush administration tries to keep its consumption at a certain level by extra money (tax cut can be understood in a same way).

Secondly, the power of dollar: Iraq was trying to change its oil transaction money from Dollar to Euro. And other OPEC countries were in support of using Euro instead of dollar. What if Euro will be pegged money in oil transaction? The depreciation of dollar will be definitely expected. Then, the weak dollar can affect the flow of capital to US from outside, negatively. This will cause house and construction markets to collapse. And again, if the house and construction demand falls, US economy will surely plummet down.

Bush¡¯s foreign policy can be associated with the domestic and economic policy by above reasons. However, our budget deficit is really critical. The portion of budget deficit out of GDP has incremented over 30% and this is almost a bankrupt situation. By spending money in Iraq and other government issues, the deficit has been fatal. Furthermore, Iraq can be another Vietnam because we don¡¯t have any more money to keep our troops maintaining. We will see how it goes.

I can¡¯t say Bush¡¯s decision was entirely wrong because of above reason. However, I can say the possibility of country bankruptcy is more increased than before, our economic health is much weaker than before, and other countries are less respectful to US than before. What a sad reality¡¦

What many fail to realize is that bush might have good foreign policy, but where is it putting us? Unemployment rates are at their highest since bush senior was in office. The national deficit is at it's worse since...well...bush senior was in office. I think it is quite clear that "Foreign Policy" was/is their priority. A deficit of -400 billion dollars and unemployment rate of 6.4% (Source is absolutely outragious. Please, do not think I am trying to say Clinton was the best president ever (...as most people ASSUME), but face it, he did a HELL of a lot better job in his eight years, than the two Bush's combined 8 years.

 

[ooo000HITMAN000ooo]

i put your avatar (bmwlover) as my background and there wads about 100 of them and i almost barfed that is freaky WARNING will make you sick

 

[crupdawg]

MidWestThom is an alright guy, he just gets a little riled up some times anout politics as he explained to me just before on AIM. lets all just keep level heads here fellas and concentrate on the bimmers

 

[BMWlover]

Hahahahah... Good application!

i put your avatar (bmwlover) as my background and there wads about 100 of them and i almost barfed that is freaky WARNING will make you sick

 

[mrferg]

...lets all just keep level heads here fellas and concentrate on the bimmers

Good idea!!

 

[epj3]

Good idea!!

 

[Wadula]

does that mean chris bangle for president or what????


hell no....i didn´t say that did i???

 

[skandalous]

You should run for president!! Too bad you havent lived here long enough

Don't you have to be born in the US to be president? I think that's what I remember from history class.

And back on topic, or maybe the sub-topic, Bush is an alright guy. He could be doing a lot better, but he could also be doing a lot worse, as could anyone in his position. I do think he's a better president than Gore, but that's just b/c I've grown up my whole life almost with Gore as a senator for my state. I voted for the first time this past Tuesday, and it felt good. I'll also vote in the next presidential election. I don't think I'll vote for bush, however. I'll have to see what else is out there (for the most part, my opinions tend to agree more with the Libertarian party, but even they scare me sometimes).

I guess I don't care too much about the economy much right now because our family is doing the best it's ever done. My father's glass company is rolling on, as is my mother's law practice. I've kept a steady job all through my teen yeers and never once had a problem finding a job, though they say more teen jobs are getting taken by adults nowadays b/c of the unemployment rate. Anyways, I know I'm making no sense, b/c after all, it is 2:00 am and I can't sleep, so I'll stop now.

 

[AwCrap]

Wadula: YOU WERE RIGHT!!!!!, he didn't find it very funny! You really know your homo's!

Maybe I am a homosexual, you don't know me, idiot.

 

[epj3]

Don't you have to be born in the US to be president? I think that's what I remember from history class.

And back on topic, or maybe the sub-topic, Bush is an alright guy. He could be doing a lot better, but he could also be doing a lot worse, as could anyone in his position. I do think he's a better president than Gore, but that's just b/c I've grown up my whole life almost with Gore as a senator for my state. I voted for the first time this past Tuesday, and it felt good. I'll also vote in the next presidential election. I don't think I'll vote for bush, however. I'll have to see what else is out there (for the most part, my opinions tend to agree more with the Libertarian party, but even they scare me sometimes).

I guess I don't care too much about the economy much right now because our family is doing the best it's ever done. My father's glass company is rolling on, as is my mother's law practice. I've kept a steady job all through my teen yeers and never once had a problem finding a job, though they say more teen jobs are getting taken by adults nowadays b/c of the unemployment rate. Anyways, I know I'm making no sense, b/c after all, it is 2:00 am and I can't sleep, so I'll stop now.

I am glad their businesses are doing good, it helps the economy. BUT...
You would see things differently if you came home from school to find out the company your dad works for is laying off 500 more people. You would see things differently if YOU lost a job (even if it was a shitty one at a grocery store) becuase they can not afford to pay you.

 

[Bear6360]

that is another point of course and could show two things: 1st he is very good speaker and motivator or 2nd the members who listen to him are too easy to be influenced. oh, well there is of course the 3rd one that this time for this aspect they were all of the same opinion, connected to information given by the government and amybe public pressure. I don´t want to state a judgement or conclusion as my knowledge as far as the US politcal system is concerned, is far too small to allow me to.

i am just happy that the US-German relationship gets a little warmer, not that i ever encountered any cold weather, but our press just jumps up and down at the moment ....politics....

Regardless of his speaking ability (which I think most of us would agree is poor), it's very difficult to get democrats to see eye to eye with republicans. That's one of the most difficult things on Earth to do.

As for US-German relations, I hold no animosity towards any Germans. I have a friend from Korschenbroich, and he asked me about US-German relations. He's concerned about it. I think only the uneducated (sorry if you take offense to that) will hate an entire culture of people for something their government did. Granted, a lot of the german people did not want to help the US, but don't be alarmed if there were quite a few who wanted to help us. We don't like be labeled for all the bad things our government does to other countries, right?

Wadula, I still like you!!

 

[Bear6360]

Whoopsy daisy , what I meant to say is that 'it is not only that people hate us for who we are but what we do.'

I'm bad at communicating as you can see.

Some weirdos believe that the only reason people hate us is that they are 'jealous' of our big cars and big stars. That's what I'm saying is a wrong idea...we do deserve some hatred though, killing civilians for example. I know it really cannot be helped during wartime, but you know...

I, personally, did not kill any civilians. I never have. How do I deserve any of that hatred?
....again, I don't think everyone hates Americans....I think a lot of people do. ...and for those who do, please see my post above about uneducated people.

Most of the civilians that have been killed in this war were casualties. They were not targeted. The 3000 some odd people (civilians) killed in the twin towers were targeted. There's a big difference.

 

[Bear6360]

I'm afraid I have to go get some grub, Bear, so I can't finish off this whole post, but i'll get this in.

"(typos are OK and do not count as misspelled words)."

Your own words right? Now look at your keyboard really carefully, more specifically the key right to the left of the I, yes that one. Now tell me I don't know how to spell inability, because I assure you I do. And please don't defend crupdawg, he can do that on his own. Much less tell me what he knows considering he couldn't even get Hussein right.

Here is my main point. Don't shoot down other users of this board. Keep the debates political. If someone questions or criticizes your beliefs, do not take personal offense to it. No one is trying to offend you. Also, if someone has different views from your own, they are not stupid. If you feel differently from them, explain to them why you feel you are correct. Pointing out the flaws in their argument is also acceptable, but let's not reduce ourselves to cursing and name calling. That's for children and the uneducated.

 

[Bear6360]

What many fail to realize is that bush might have good foreign policy, but where is it putting us? Unemployment rates are at their highest since bush senior was in office. The national deficit is at it's worse since...well...bush senior was in office. I think it is quite clear that "Foreign Policy" was/is their priority. A deficit of -400 billion dollars and unemployment rate of 6.4% (Source is absolutely outragious. Please, do not think I am trying to say Clinton was the best president ever (...as most people ASSUME), but face it, he did a HELL of a lot better job in his eight years, than the two Bush's combined 8 years.

Good charts, Ross Perot! [joke]

I must admit, though, they don't convince me that the problems we face today is George's fault entirely. I mean, you can say your legs are longer than your arms because the Sun is hot. Granted, your legs have been longer than your arms your whole life....and the Sun has been hot your whole life....but that does not mean the two are entirely related.
The economy ALWAYS fluctuates. If it didn't, inflation would go through the roof, and the dollar would be worthless.
The Fed controls interest rates. Stock holders also control the economy. If you have a lot of "baby boomers" retiring and withdrawing all of their stock, the price of stocks is going to fall. Companies are going to start downsizing, blah, blah, blah. Explain to me where GW has his hand in this.

 

[Bear6360]

i aprreciate the defense bear, thanks buddy

You might want to change your signature if you want people to believe you. It's pretty funny, though.

"If you can dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

 

[Bear6360]

To you and everyone else -- if you are not going to be on topic or mature about it, then please leave. I believe everyone else is being mature about it (...even the 17 year olds involved in the discussion.)

EPJ for moderator!!

 

[Bear6360]

Pretty much correct. I'm playing both sides because I agree with certain foreign policy actions, and others are think are a mstake. I'm smart/old/wise enough to realize that there are MANY issues in foreign policy that I don't understand, There are MANY peices of intelligence that we have that cannot be made public that affect foreign policy decisions. I used to work for a military signal intelligence (electronic eavesdropping) defense contractor, believe me, I know.

NARC! Everybody run!!!

[joke]

 

[Bear6360]

I don't see what the hang-up is, if I believed in what they said I'd vote for anyone.

All politicians are saints when it comes to what they're saying. It's the ones who actually pull the trigger that really ARE the saints.

I agree with EPJ. Bill Clinton was a great president.

I think whoever the next Democratic hopeful is, they should ask Bill Clinton to be their VP.