- Mr. Clean Auto-dry Car Wash - Anyone know of this?

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Phil and Wayne,

I hope this conversation stays friendly. It has been extremely educational and interesting to read two educated opinions. In the end, each of us will decide for ourselves whether we want to continue to wax and polish, but at least now (hopefully) we'll be making an educated decision.

Personally, I think I will continue to wax as old habbits die hard, and I like the look and satisfaction of a freshly waxed car. But, I will no longer stress out (thinking my paint is no longer protected and going to be ruined) if I notice water staring to sheet instead of bead, and I don't have time to wax.

This has been a really good discussion!
 
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Phil & Wayne...I really appreciate both your efforts on this thread. Does anyone know which of the clearcoat processes BMW uses (not sure if it varies from model to model either)....? Also, is AutoDry available in Canada?
 
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Millreef:

I would only be guessing. But yours is probably a two-stage clearcoat, just because BMW is one of the leaders in coating technology. You can go to the BMW website and do a little research about the 3 series paint.

AutoDry definitely will be available in Canada if it's not already. Check major mass merchandisers, drug stores, grocery stores, auto supply, etc.
 
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Phil Frame said:
Wayne:

How do you like your AutoDry? What are you using your towels for now?
As we discussed in an earlier email, after you sent me the free Autodry for review, I did not care for it. It is a good "idea" and the technology has been around for years.
Since you asked again, I will post my earlier review of the Autodry system, along with others that have used it.
It would be ok for a "beater car", but, IMO, not for a high end car as it definately does have it's drawbacks(such as not being "totally spotless". If I have to wipe down the finish, IMO, there is no need to wate time or money with a system that, in my experience, does not work as advertised and has many negatives. You can do a search on other forums of people that have high end cars and the results will be about the same..., negative..., sorry...

To answer your question about the towels..., I use the waffle weave towels for drying, to make sure there are no spots, since I have not found a system that will totally eliminate spots.

Of course there are other towels specifically for buffing, polishing, application, glass, cleaning, etc.

I was not aware that you were also a paying advertising sponsor of the forum, as I didn't see your banner..., I must have missed it, I will look again, sorry...

Anyhow, here is my review you requested and some from people that have used it on the forum and other forums. If the links do not work, you may have to cut/paste...

I have been "playing" with the Autodry system for the last month and thought I would post my opinion on it as I promised the "sender" of the devise I would post an honest opinion..., well..., here goes:)

I opened the box and it looks kinda cool to me. It came with a filter and a "starter soap" refill.
After reading the instructions, I "had" to give it a go..., so out I went.

Using their complete system and a MF mitt I proceded to wash the cars.
The first car- I ran the soap in a bucket, the second car I "showered" the car with soap using the Mr Clean devise and the 3rd car I sprayed the soap directly onto the mitt.

I absolutely hated the soap no matter how I used it, as it seemed VERY harsh and actually faded the color and matted the mitt, however I was able to bring it back to life after several washings, but it is still faded and now designated to only wheels and tire cleaning. (I wonder about acid or alkaline)

After washing the car, I allowed it to dry on it's own.
The "special soap" sure did nothing for the shine, the car dried then I inspected.

There were spots..., easy to remove, but there were still spots on the hood, top and trunk. There were also lines you could see from where water dripped from the mirrors, doors, etc.
Again, they were easy to remove as the filter did work, but not as advertised with an absolute "0" for spotting.

Next week I used my own car wash and the Mr. Clean devise.
I washed the car by spraying one section at a time with soap, spraying my mitt, washing, rinsing, when finished washing the car, I rerinsed with the filtered water, however, I did not like the "spotting" idea and resorted to my leaf blower for drying and WW towel for the final dry.

All in all..., I like the "idea" of washing with de-ionized water, but not at the expense of changing the filter aprox. every 10 - 14 washes..., as it would get quite expensive..., especially since I still have to "final dry" to make sure there are no spots..., no matter how easy they may be to remove- I do not like spots!!!

If you have a very shiney and reflective finish, you don't care if the spots were put there by city water or filtered water..., you still see spots, easy to remove- Yes! More work- Yes! Do you still have to final dry the car- Yes!(however, the filtered water seems to make it easier and does give you a feeling of "superior water" on your car.

After the filters "clog" or stop working, I will no longer use the Mr. Clean Autodry, as I believe it is not worth the cost to replace the filters since I already have a "system" of drying which consists of an electric leaf blower and WW towels which works fast, no spotting and gets ALL the water out of mirrors, doors, trim and other crevices.

These are just my personal opinion of the Autodry. your results may be different..., you may like it and find it as a personal favorite..., but in the spirit of Roadfly, I posted my personal results(your results may differ:)


http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/detailing/forum.php?postid=4309431&page=3

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showt...653&perpage=18&highlight=autodry&pagenumber=4

Here is a post about spamming from Autodry on other forums and "pimping" free advertising..., Not meant as a "slam", just posting the truth about the product and marketing practices(only my opinion).

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29879&highlight=autodry

Again, this post is not meant as a "slam", it's only to make people aware there is a different side to the story we have read in this thread and to educate people that there is no "perfect system". I hope this can stay a friendly conversation, as I have nothing to gain by posting my "findings" with Autodry. If it worked..., I would be selling it and getting in on the free advertising:)

Hope this helps answer some of the questions posted by everyone.
Try a search on different forums where other "high end" users have tried it and see what the majority of opinions are...
 
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waynestowels said:
Millreef,
The protection for the new finish can be applied at home and save you hundreds of dollars and in most cases will yield a better protection.
There are a lot of good, High quality, easy to use protectants on the market with UV inhibitors and very durable protection.
My suggestion would be to apply the sealant or wax yourself. The car dealer uses professional grade waxes and sealants such as Pro, Auto Magic, Malco, Coats, etc, etc.
It is purchased in most cases in 1 or 5 gallon jugs for between $15 - $20 a gallon and is designed for fast easy use.
If you read the lifetime warranty, most have fine print that you have to get the protection applied every 3 - 12 months..., no sealant will last the life of your car. Sealants and waxes are only to keep the enviromental polluntants from actually touching your paint..., which is a good thing:) [/B]
Just had a chat with the dealer who's offering this paint sealant (btw...at Cdn$399 - around US$300). I'm having them fax over the warranty but they've stated that they do warrant the work for as long as I own the car. The only stipulation is that I have it inspected at the end of two years by them to see if any touchups are required (done at no cost by them). She also said that they would check it every time the car was in for service - and, if necessary, reapply as required (again at no cost). Apparently, the deal is insured by a company called 1st Canadian insurance - so the dealer recovers any ongoing costs if reapplications are necessary.

I have to admit...(& this might be sacrilege to all you guys who like spending Saturday afternoons buffing your Bimmer babies)....but if I can get out of waxing the car every month or two...and perhaps only using AutoDry every second weekend....I'll be a happy camper!
 
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Questions I would ask...,

1- What is covered?

2- What is not covered?

3- How will I know the layer of protection is on the car?

4- If I begin to se swirls, etc, is that covered by the warranty?

5- Is there ANY additional charges for reapplication, touch-ups, inspection, etc?

6- Since they are going to recheck to make sure the protection is still working at every service, what does their inspection consist of to "prove" the protection is on the car and can they show you what to look for to insure that in fact it is still protecting.

Just for informations sake..., NO sealant will last 2 years. I am VERY suspecious when a company makes exaggerated claims about ANY product.

Make sure to read ALL the fine print.
I have never heard of anyone that has been satisfied with the dealer prep and inflated pricing 2 years down the road..., just be cautious:)
 
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ok i went and got this today from target for 19.99.

if it matters, the weather is slightly overcast and its about 75 degress out.

i washed my car as soon as i got home. it wasnt super dirty but dirty enough to need washing. the one thing i really like about it is that the regular sprayer came out pretty strong considering i have some old crappy hose. the sprayer is definitely stronger than any other nozzle ive used. i followed the directions perfectly and my car came out looking great. after i did the final rinse i parked it in the garage and pulled my dads car into the driveway. his was full of sand because he parks it outside and there is construction going on next to our house. by the time i finished with his car mine was dry and looked great. it definitely did have a shine to it that it didnt have before. my dads car came out great too.

my only suggestions would be to add a rubber grip and shape the unit differently so it isnt so front heavy.
 
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I'm sorry, Wayne, but you don't seem to know a thing about the technology in AutoDry and you don't seem to know how to use the product, because it is, indeed, totally spotless. If you knew about the AutoDry technology, you would realize that it was developed only over the past four years (it has not been around for years.) Where are the other hand-held deionizers on the market? At one point you wanted to sell AutoDry, but, unfortunately, it didn't work out because you're not Wal-Mart or AutoZone and you couldn't compete with the $19.99 price point. Your "review" is clearly biased toward your primary business of being a detailer. And, it is obvious that the simple directions are above you -- or you are above them. Yon don't put the soap in a bucket. You don't just shower the car with soap. You don't just put it on the mitt. You spray it on the car and the mitt, then rub it. Then you rinse with plain water then with the AutoDry spray. It's foolproof. The soap is not harsh. It is PH balanced. Your mitt was discolored? Did you stop to think that the soap was actually removing dirt from the vehicle? I've said before that I go through a new carwash mitt every two washes. That's my sacrifice for getting a clean car. For every post you point to, I can show you unabashed endorsements from Motor Trend, Automobile, Import Tuner, VW Trends, Popular Mechanics (Editor's Choice Award), Popular Science etc.
 
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Phil,
4 years is YEARS, LOL!!

Please do not ge so offensive:)
Detailers have been using deionized water for cleaning for longer than the autodry has been around, would you not agree?

Please do not "spin" the content of my original concerns. Let us first address them, then move on.

Obviously some people will like it(it is available local for $14.99, however, like all fads, trinkets, and novelty's it will fade(kinda like the new diet every year or the new excercise equipment of the year.

If someone likes it..., this is fine, if someone does not like it, that is fine too...,
My problem is with the advertising and misinformation, as I addressed above.

To have to buy a new mitt every other wash, filters, special soap, etc..., for me it would be almost as cost effective to pay the local car wash the $5 wash special and not get my hands wet.

The point is..., you are still "rubbing the car".

You still need protection.

You will constantly be spending extra money to wash the car

There are still spots(maybe my water is hard and the filter is not strong enough, who knows..., all I know is, it did not work for me and many others as advertised.)

This is NOT an attack on you or the product. what it is, is a different opinion of the Autodry..., You must realize, everyone is not going to like it and it is not the detailers answer to a "perfect finish".

Again, no problem with it "as it is", but the "hype" that goes with it.
 
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Wayne: Please don't misunderstand me. We agree on a lot of things -- probably most things. A little extra protection never hurt anyone. And I wasn't suggesting that extra protection was a bad thing, just that someday it won't be necessary. Even then, some people still will wax. That's fine. Some people don't like washing their own car and prefer carwashes. Some people get satisfaction from washing their own vehicle -- it's more than money. There are 1 billion at-home carwashes every year and 2 billion away-from-home washes. I don't think that AutoDry is going to change that ratio.

I've never known AutoDry to not work for people who followed directions. There are people who tried it who didn't want it to work and did everything they could to avoid the directions so they could say it didn't work. Maybe they work for another soap manufacturer or they sell a competing product -- I don't know.

One thing I want you to know, Wayne, is I like you and respect you and we're better off having you around here. So, let's be friends!
 
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Phil,
Like I said earlier, I have absolutely no problem with you...,

I just thought the Autodry was a bit over-hyped, I did not care for it(I detail high end cars) and tried everything I could to make it "totally spotless"...,
I even emailed you several times for suggestions before posting the review on "the other board" to make sure I was doing everything possible to make it work.

I am a perfectionist(I wish I was not, however, I am stuck with what I am) and when I inspect or review something, I test it to the max!

Some products I like, some I do not..., everyone has an opinion and have favorite products.
Some like the $15 a gallon wax(I personally do not)

I started selling MicroFiber because it is something that works better than it was advertised and it is something I believe in.

I will soon be adding Einszett ( 1Z ) to my list of products, for the same reason. I tested it against 100's of products and IMO, it is the best polish out there, easy to use, affordable and really works. It is also ISO approved..., which means tight quality control.

I can only give my experiences with products, I am here to "Help" because I like detailing.
You can read through my posts and see I do not pust or only recommend the products I sell. I recommend the best product for the intended use...,
My conscience will not allow me to do otherwise.

Making a sale is great..., being honest is even better:)
 

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Try this: http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/detailing/4631111-1.html

Why is it that everyone is always trying to find the quickest and easiest route. Detailing a car, and I mean detailing, is a true art form. All of you are spending top dollar for, IMHO, one of the finest automobiles ever made but you don't to take the time to properly wash and dry your cars.

Do me a favor...trade in your BMWs because unless you want to take the time NONE of you deserve them.
 
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Detailing is no way an art form. The proper training is all that is needed. Any one can detail their car the same way with a little time and effort. To be a art form you would be creating something, in reality you are just cleaning a piece of art. Seems like alot of detailers are getting a little upset that a new product actually works like it is suppose too.
 
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Now I've really heard everything! I bought it to drive it...not to spend countless hours obsessing about the odd water spot. Given the car is reasonably well cared for (and that's the point of having this discussion), I hardly think having a "life" disqualifies anyone from owning a great car. For those of you who get great satisfaction from spending a weekend afternoon washing & waxing your car...power to you...doesn't mean those of us who prefer to do other things with our time enjoy our Bimmers any less.
 

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Exactly.

Here's my order enjoyment for me:

1. On the track. Yeeefugginhaa.
2. Weekend drive through twisty canyon roads.
3. Daily drive.
4. Detailing.

See where detailing falls in? I take pride in appearance, but these cars are meant to be driven!
 
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Beemerkiller said:
Detailing is no way an art form. The proper training is all that is needed. Any one can detail their car the same way with a little time and effort. To be a art form you would be creating something, in reality you are just cleaning a piece of art. Seems like alot of detailers are getting a little upset that a new product actually works like it is suppose too.
I understand what you are saying..., with the right training anyone can be a computor programmer, brain surgeon or anything else they desire.

"Websters" definition of "art"-
1- The activity of using imagination or skills to create beautifull things.
2- A non scientific branch of learning.
3- A trade or craft and the methods employed in it.
4- A practical skill.

BTW, I am not upset with the product, just disappointed it did not meet my high standards and the marketing practices of such a big company.

If you guys like it, I am ok with that..., you can get $5 off your purchase with a coupon online and Autozone has them for $14.99.

I can also use Turtle wax and Armor All..., but I "choose" to use higher quality products to get a better finish and durability(Zaino, Einszett, Klasse, just to name a few), as I cater to the high end auto enthusiests, detailers and collectors of fine automobiles.

I do not want this to be an ongoing argument. You have your standards, I have mine, nothing wrong with that..., is there?
I have ALWAYS said to use what you like best and fits in your budget and timeframe. I am constantly looking to improve and use the highest possible quality products, which are not found in Wal-Mart, Pep Boys or Autozone.[thumb]
 


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